Can an Astral Traveller Pull you Out to Astral Project

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Re: Can an Astral Traveller Pull you Out to Astral Project

Postby Ryan » 26 Feb 2013 04:40

taniaaust1 wrote:Ryan .. Im not currently hanging out in any OBE/astral projection sites as Im currently wanting to focus on the LD stuff as I find it more interesting as it enables me to explore my subconsciousness.. something which doesnt happen when Im OBE (many of my OBES have been boring.. I got to be constantly thinking up what i want to do etc).

I get far more surprises with LDs :D as you just enter one and let ones subcosnciousness take you on a journey (one which I thou can control. I love the far more unpredictable nature of it all, situations which manifest around one. The ability to do what one wishes cause its just a dream etc). LDs gives one the most opportunity to explore oneself

OBES and LDs each have their own benefits and cons. (two realities, different rules one can say)

To me, they're simply one in the same. But then, you probably knew I'd say that. :)
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Re: Can an Astral Traveller Pull you Out to Astral Project

Postby Jack Reacher » 26 Feb 2013 23:03

The experience is the same... the point of debate is whether you actually go outside of your physical body when you do an OBE or Projection.
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Re: Can an Astral Traveller Pull you Out to Astral Project

Postby Ryan » 27 Feb 2013 03:26

Jack Reacher wrote:The experience is the same... the point of debate is whether you actually go outside of your physical body when you do an OBE or Projection.

Well, see... my understanding is that no, you don't.

Actually, I wrote an article about this for my website just over a week ago. COINCIDENCE! :D

Are Projections “Internal” or “External” Experiences?
So, which is it? When we “project” our consciousness away from this physical reality, are we projecting to something internal to ourselves or external to ourselves?

I’ll answer this from my own experience. Basically, since all is consciousness, there is no “physical body”. There never was, it’s all virtual. So there’s nothing to “separate” from. And since there’s no physical body, there’s nothing “internal” with which you project into. You ARE consciousness, so it’s not so much that you have to get out of your body in order to project… it’s that you need to focus away from what you’re experiencing (this physical) and open yourself to something that isn’t this physical. It’s like a wave, individual among the body of water it is born from. Each of us are a wave OF (not in) the ocean. A wave can’t separate from the ocean, anymore than you can separate from this body of consciousness that we’re all apart of.

So projection isn’t something internal to you… and it’s not external to you either. Why? …because you ARE it. You are the ocean. You are everything. Projection is you experiencing yourself (consciousness) from a slightly different perspective. You’re shifting your perception away from experiencing yourself as one thing, towards experiencing yourself as something else.

Does that make any sense or have I confused the matter more?

http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2013/02/18/are-projections-internal-or-external-experiences/

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Re: Can an Astral Traveller Pull you Out to Astral Project

Postby taniaaust1 » 28 Feb 2013 09:08

Jack Reacher wrote:The experience is the same... the point of debate is whether you actually go outside of your physical body when you do an OBE or Projection.


There are also those of us who believe that one can do an OBE also inside the body. There may be worlds inside of us.. sometimes even worlds which can be created by other consciousnesses.

The whole thing is very complex.

The astral plane is just a plane which is there in existance at a certain range of frequencies. It can be both inside and outside of oneself.
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Re: Can an Astral Traveller Pull you Out to Astral Project

Postby Je-Je » 06 Apr 2013 13:14

It look wierd :|
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