Summerlander wrote:If we were truly fickle before then at least we should count ourselves as lucky for having stumble upon the path of science and reason. We merely want facts, that's all. I don't care if the truth sounds harsh to me or others. There is no free will? So what? I can't still enjoy the illusion of being free. There is no soul? Well, I appreciate being alive and being able to marvel at the universe. I can marvel at the sense of self knowing there is no self in the metaphysical sense as far as I'm aware and as evidence points to its absence. There is no God? Thank God!
Exactly my disposition.
buildit wrote:You ever consider the possibility you gave up too easy? I'm amazed by the number of people in science and medicine I meet who have become christians or maybe spiritual because they have experienced things outside their ability for rational explanation. We don't like to talk about them because we DO sound like the very crack pots we make fun of. I am glad for mystery in the universe even if it's only an illusion that makes us doubt our smug self assured assumptions of what we think is real.
Just because something is beyond your personal ability to rationalize and explain does not mean that it cannot be
rationalized or explained.
HAGART wrote:So back to the soul. Many people wonder about that and it reminds me of Frankenstein's Monster. You can piece together all the body parts, but something is missing. Of course, back then electricity was a novel idea so a bolt of lightening did the trick. I don't know what it is, but I think we all agree there is something not quite right and perhaps there is a missing puzzle piece in the equation. (I didn't provide an answer. I'm just putting another log on this fire and warming my soul!)
Yeah, good point. But I think that feeling that people get is just a result of humanity being the most sentient and intelligent and dominant species on the planet (as far as we know). There are no other species that think and feel like us. It's just inter-special loneliness. If we ever discovered an alien race with a higher intelligent and sentience than ours perhaps people would start rethinking the idea of a soul.
Maybe when people say "soul," what they really mean is the human species' level of intelligence and sentience. But I don't know, even then it doesn't really make sense because in this case that would mean people with mental disabilities do not have souls. And that statement tends to alarm people lol. Scientifically (and rather coldly), however, a mentally deficient person should technically have a lower--I don't know--status? than an ordinary person. Because morality is defined by an individual's potential for suffering. We protect mammals more than insects because mammals are more capable of experiencing higher levels of suffering.
buildit wrote:My out of the box thinking has been mulling over the general concept that the body is like a vessel where the "soul" grows and forms. I'm giving soul a wide description but i'm thinking mental energy of some sort. At natural death the soul is forced / released from the protective husk which was our body, like a embryo which leaves the egg. There is no science to this line of thinking yet and is total conjecture. But it provides me with some interesting mental gum to chew. This idea of course is loosely combined with the Quantum theory above.
Yeah, the idea that the body is only a husk for the soul concealed inside which is released upon death is what everyone believes. It's not at all a profound "out of the box" theory about the notion of a soul.