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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby Summerlander » 28 Jan 2015 01:05

Hmmm... I'm going to start thinking softly as the world is killing me softly...

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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby deschainXIX » 29 Jan 2015 00:30

I just watched the movie "Killing Them Softly." Nice, gritty little crime film about capitalism.
Well said.

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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby Summerlander » 29 Jan 2015 03:02

I haven't seen it but I do believe that capitalism may well drive us into extinction. Worldwide socialism may do us good, though. Some form of world government with even distribution, educational emphasis and progress.

Nothing like the atrocious communist systems of Stalin and Mao Zedong. I've been reading a chapter about Mao's Great Famine in The Week's "How To Be Really Well Informed in Minutes" and things were horrid in China back then.

I would advocate something closer to Trotskyism on a global scale, and my revolution would surely abolish the Houses of Parliament in my country; the Vatican; and the White House...

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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby deschainXIX » 31 Jan 2015 18:01

The movie is all right, not really worth watching, but it did take a stance against capitalism. Another (far better and far more worthwhile) parable for capitalism is “There Will Be Blood.”

The problem with capitalism is that it assumes everyone really can be given an “equal opportunity”--a presumption that is so intrinsically flawed it is almost incoherent. As soon as free will goes into the trash can, where it belongs, capitalism quickly follows suit. Not only is capitalism atavistic and damaging to society but also it is ignoble. I’ve noticed that, interestingly enough, the most vehement proponents of capitalism tend to be those wearing the nicest suits and the finest hats--and those with socialistic tendencies are inversely often the votarists of science.

Socialism is far more laudable and envisageable--as well as morally superior. I don’t know if I’m as so extreme as to say I’m a Trotskyist. Doesn’t he call for a dictatorial government?

Another Nietzschean tendency of mine, in addition to my opinion that art is the meaning of life, is my mild to moderate disdain for my home country. It’s eerily reminiscent of the subfuscous North Korea that one can be punished most severely for choosing not to participate in the morning “pledge of allegiance.” As if patriotism is a doctrine, a dogma to which we must all submit. The film that just came out, “American Sniper,” which chronicles the life of America’s most lethal sniper, Chris Kyle, who had over one hundred and sixty confirmed kills in the Iraq War, is the epitome of American chauvinism. It was essentially one long propaganda clip for rightist America.

I, too, advocate a congenial, cosmopolitan, intercontinental government united as one under whose jurisdiction all humans are subject--with the impetuses of science and humanism serving as everlasting cicerones, not the illusory and ephemeral asceticism and myopia and equine fear and ignorance of religion. But various antic remnants of immature man still stand in the way: things like chauvinism, sectarianism, religiosity, ethnocentrism, racism, et cetera--all of which support one another mutually and keep each other alive.

I wonder why it is we feel as though we exist in our heads. Do you all know what I’m talking about? Think about your psychophysiology, the connection between your mind and your body. Why is it that we feel as though we exist behind our eyes, in our cranium, and we look through our ocular windows out at the world from behind them? Why don’t I have the illusory perception that I exist, say, in my left hand? Or my abdomen? Is it the eyes that make us feel as though we live in the head? That can’t be it, because blind people still "exist in their heads"...

(Sorry for the late response. Hagart may have gone to the dark side, but not me! Fuck Megaman.)
Well said.

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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby HAGART » 31 Jan 2015 18:58

You were there before me.
Summerlander's a traitor too. ;)

And also how would you know I went to the dark side if you didn't click on it and read. TRAITOR!
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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby HAGART » 31 Jan 2015 19:09

As for your post about capitalism. Most of the words made no sense to me for I'm an illiterate moron, but I think I can condense everything down.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely" - John Dalberg


What's happening now is that corporations and money control the American government. The Koch brothers are doing it blatantly and unabashedly. Nobody even seems to care anymore.
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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby deschainXIX » 31 Jan 2015 19:39

Lol. I post and view way more in this thread; I just meant that I interpreted your Megaman post to mean you'd abandoned this thread.
Well said.

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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby HAGART » 31 Jan 2015 19:51

I checked and thought they replied, but they ignored me.
Ah well. I guess this is my home.
They just want to discuss Pokemon.

I tried to make a dent and may do it again, but it's just a Pokemon festival over there and I got washed over, forgotten, and buried in the inane mudslide. :lol:
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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby Summerlander » 31 Jan 2015 20:13

That's okay, Hagart, because the beauty is that we are exposed to intelligent people like deschainXIX who introduce us to new words and concepts which help to expand and in turn influence us to better express our own ideas confidently.

DeschainXIX reply about socialism and capitalism made sense to me because I am already interested in the subject. I also understand his suspicion about Leon Trotsky, because, after all, he came to support Lenin's "dictatorship by the working class" by right and as the very impetus for their revolution.

But Trotsky favoured education and encouraged people to think for themselves. He also took heed of certain useful aspects of Marxism which were overlooked by the other two Orwellian "pigs." Trotsky knew that advanced capitalism is a necessary jurisprudence to effectively kick-start the spread of socialism. And the socialistic engine is the prelude to the ultimately up and running communist society. At least it was Trotsky's ideal corollary and where any notions of dictatorship would end. Democracy would still play a role, but the rule is fairness. But many would argue that we are poorly evolved mammals with a habit for worshipping or idolising and tempted by greed.

So, forget all the negative connotations associated with communism. Communism may be a great, if not perfect, theory in establishing an ideal world. But the sad truth may be that we are too imperfect and evil for it.

I'm not saying Marx, Engels, Trotsky, or even Lenin had the perfectly right idea for how society should be run. But there is something admirable about how Trotsky approached it. What he recommended was certainly better than monarchy and capitalism. I've started a new topic about why it is imperative that things need to change very soon. We may need a revolutionary approach and socialism may provide a solution.

As I said before, people need to swallow their pride. We truly need to work towards a classless society that, as you said, deschain, promotes humanism and science whilst ridiculing ancient superstition and nonsense.

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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby deschainXIX » 31 Jan 2015 21:14

HAGART wrote: it's just a Pokemon festival over there and I got washed over, forgotten, and buried in the inane mudslide.


What a perfect little aphorism to describe the nature of Megaman and why we're trying to beat it. :lol:

Summerlander wrote:That's okay, Hagart, because the beauty is that we are exposed to intelligent people like deschainXIX who introduce us to new words and concepts which help to expand and in turn influence us to better express our own ideas confidently.


You're too flattering. I'm not that smart. Au contraire, Hagart and I are the lucky ones, for being exposed to you. :mrgreen: :ugeek:
Well said.


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