Malala and Terrorism

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Summerlander
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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby Summerlander » 15 Jun 2016 20:12

Fuck that. Fuck your culture.


I feel the Hitch in you brother. 8-)
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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby katarinaa » 15 Jun 2016 20:25

hello all,
I am new to this forum but I clearly thought this is a place to talk about lucid dreaming and not terrorism or religion or politics. In fact, it was one of the rules of joining the forum. This is a true disappointment. Can't you find a different forum for this kind of topic?

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby Summerlander » 15 Jun 2016 20:57

The Off-topic is for people to discuss topics unrelated to lucid dreaming, you plonker. If you don't like this thread, you can fuck off.
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby deschainXIX » 15 Jun 2016 23:35

I love discussing these sorts of touchy issues with my fellow lucid dreamers. In fact, lucid dreamers are more fun to hold a discussion with than any other demographic bloc, in my opinion. Lucid dreamers are more cerebral and creative and think-outside-the-box than others; they tend to enjoy weird, counterintuitive ideas--and why not? They specialize in questioning reality! What other sort of person would make a better better philosophical/political conversation companion? :mrgreen:

And, to be clear, we're not violating any forum rules discussing off-topic subjects in the Off-Topic section.
Well said.

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby Pilgrim » 15 Jun 2016 23:54

Deschain, it is good to read your posts again!

I do not like how people want to silence conversation. It is why abuses go so long without challenge. Everyone is free to post dissent, if they want.

Religion and worldviews do relate to lucid dreams. The book that I am reading now from Waggoner might as well have been titled "Discovering True Religion From My Subjective Dreams". Because pantheism is popular among lucid dreamers, no one complains.

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby Summerlander » 16 Jun 2016 11:19

Hi, reasonable feminist sisters out there who might read this thread properly instead of getting caught up in Forum rules and politics! :mrgreen:

I, as a man, call you 'sisters' because I am all for the advocacy of equal rights for women. And if you are relentlessly fighting for this cause and tired of seeing female submissiveness to men, I have an extra tip for you. Renounce your faith. Malala is still a deluded fledgeling while Ayaan Hirsi Ali has proper cohones! :twisted:

If you are moderately religious and think that only Muslim women fit that category, think again! Christian fundamentalists, Pilgrim, would say that a woman is not even allowed to be a pastor and must live mostly in silence. In fact, women who wish to become pastors can be accused of spreading the doctrine of feminism to the detriment of divine doctrine.

Essentially, according to the exegesis, it defies God's Law and they are seen to be cultivating their egotistical nature. Submissiveness, according to scripture, is the price you pay for what Eve did---the first to eat from the forbidden tree of knowledge and the one to tempt Adam. Yep! Yahweh, the supposed creator of the cosmos, is an anti-feminist. Want proof from the source?

Corinthians 14:34:
'The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.'

And...

Timothy 2:11-12:
'Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.'

Even in Genesis 3:16, you will find the following:
'To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."'

Nice, eh? 8-)

So man-made! It's not just man-made ... it's man-made! And let's not forget that religion has a strong influence on political power and policy! So, once again, watch out sisters! Be safe! :-D
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby Pilgrim » 16 Jun 2016 23:56

So, Katarinna, yes you can certainly believe like Summerlander and be an atheist and reject the Christian Scriptures. I believe his personal basis for determining good and evil is a certain perspective derived from the "greatest good for greatest number". I will like both of you a lot, without regard whether your beliefs match mine. I will not be saying f____ anyone.

Summerlander, a true christian fundamentalist, as the term is most associated, regards highly specific beliefs to which I do not adhere. Fundamentalists would call me a liberal heretic. Why? Certain characteristic beliefs (not held by alI uniformly) I reject: (1) inspiration of the King James Bible (much like the Catholic's view of the Latin from Council of Trent); (2) imminent secret rapture; (3) highly restrictive lifestyle that places demands on people above Scripture; (4) anti-reason; (5) young earth

I do not have a problem with the five main "Fundamentals" of the faith as articulated by the Bible Institute of Los Angeles in the early 1900s. No one really defines "fundamentalists" by these core beliefs, however.

Role distinction between men and women does not mean one gender is better than the other. Women, on average, do certain things better than men. Men do, on average, certain things better than women. The advantage in certain tasks is measurable scientifically. Distinct roles among the animals, I see, who are not encumbered by the belief that both genders are the same.

Qualitatively, that Christ took on a limiting and submissive role, does not make him less than God.

Men are supposed to love their wives and who they lead in church with a profound love. I do not attend church because of the pervasive dysfunction and deception. If there is an atheist assembly, maybe I would fit in there because we can at least have conversation. Atheists would probably let me present on a topic, then give rational critique.

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby Summerlander » 17 Jun 2016 00:35

I understand that people specialise in different things. Gender can certainly influence the areas in which human beings excel or find room for improvement. For example, men tend to be funnier than women (at least from the male perspective) but this doesn't mean there aren't great comediennes out there. (Women often find more intelligent ways to express comedy than men---the latter's stupidity tending to be sufficiently mirthful.) Ostensibly, there are also other areas where women seem to be better than men in general.

There are great female elocutionists who would find it unfair of men to imply that women are generically useless at public speaking. We mustn't overlook the details and should certainly refrain from conclusions based on incomplete scientific data.

For example, suppose scientists statistically discovered that, at present, there are far more male elocutionists than women. Should they assume, based on this piece of evidence alone, that gender undoubtedly dictates over whether someone is predisposed to be a great public speaker or not? No, because other factors have not been considered.

There are also other possibilities within, for instance, a social context. What if women, in general, have been repressed by male chauvinism for so long and feel oppressed or lacking confidence based on inequitable prejudgements? What if they are victims of an ignorant meme---an old wives' tale---that makes them believe they shouldn't even try that which is said to be best suited for the opposite sex?

You catch my drift? 8-)

Sadly, this is the kind of reasoning theists sometimes use to justify gender-limiting passages:

http://letspleasegod.com/2015/02/the-real-reason-why-god-prohibits-women-pastors/

Malala, at least, has justifiably defied the Taliban-promoted meme that women shouldn't even get an education. And she's proved the Islamic chauvinists wrong, too, by demonstrating that, in her teenagehood, she was already capable of ratiocination of the kind many of her male counterparts couldn't even dream of.
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby Pilgrim » 17 Jun 2016 08:25

Summerlander, I will respond in the near future. I get to be under a surgical procedure with anethesia today. Perhaps I will get to have what feels like an OBE. See ya soon 8-)

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby Summerlander » 17 Jun 2016 15:14

If you do have an OBE or any numinous experience, do share it with us and good luck, buddy! 8-)
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava


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