I see we more or less agree on the God debate. I just hope we don't tread on anyone's toes with our strong posts.
Even so, I might not believe in either but I must admit that astral projection makes more sense than a God, the creator.
One can argue that He could be teaching us, but, why can't He just do it in the blink of an eye and makes see His way? Oh, that's right! He didn't want us eating from the tree of knowledge! We also must pray and kneel before Him to beg like slaves if we want His approval and wish for our lives to run smoothly.
Meanwhile, Neo downloads kung fu into his brain in a matter of seconds, something scientists say can happen in principle. So can the Total Recall scenario where we can have any identity or memories we want.
Why couldn't God just make us all see His light? Why condemn some sinners with eternal damnation when He made them sinful in the first place? Why not just change them and make them good? He is omnipotent, isnt He?
Hence why God is man-made, a concept that shoots itself in the foot. In the Bible, He is not only too human, He appears to possess all the horrible traits an individual could have: He is homicidal, genocidal, selfish, jealous, sadistic, immoral, amoral, a bit dim, negligent, condones child rape and abuse, His tests aren't funny and are unnecessary (why test if He knows everything), gambles with human life (wager with Satan) and has favourites among His children. Also, He sends His only "begotten" son to purge all of mankind's sins. And innocent man made to pay the price of torture and the death penalty while criminals get away with it scott free.
That is the opposite of justice, is it not? Why follow a God who orders you around like a dictator and threatens you with hell whilst bribing you with a heaven? No thanks.[ Post made via Android ]
We can't trust Christanity, or it's stories. It's like the telephone game, Jesus started it, but since him; they've managed to get completely different messages and stories over the years. No religion has it right, but they are on the right track.
I imagine God as something our brains can't quite comprehend. It's no man that suffers from all the traits you listed above. God is all, he's me, he's you, he's the tree outside, he's the love insides us. But how can we truly understand that? "God is all". And I can't really, but it just makes sense from a right brained perspective. To understand God from a left brained perspective, at this time, is impossible. Maybe one day though, with the powerful tool of science:)
And I have a quote to answer to your question.
"You must get through rain before the sunlight."
I also am much more accepting of these debates, thank you for toning it down a bit, these are good talks, I like this. I am not close minded:)
Also I don't believe in hell, God sends all his children to the same place. The only "hell" is here on earth, and we create that, not god. I believe when we die, we enter into a non lucid dream that perfectly replicates physical reality. In this physical reality dream, we subcontiously create a reality for ourselves, which would all be based on how we lived our physical life.
If you created a good physical life, you create a good dream, a "heaven". If you created a bad physical life, you create a bad a dream, a "hell".
Organized religion, is wrong on A LOT of things. And that's what happens when one person, who is supposedly better then everyone else, preaches us HIS beliefs to the ignorant masses.[ Post made via iPhone ]