If you want to know what it's like, sometime while your awake, imagine someone poking you on your shoulder and saying, "Excuse me, but you are dreaming right now." What would you do? How would you know they weren't right? You would probably deny it at first thinking to yourself, "Oh no, I can tell I'm not dreaming, this is obviously waking life." But suppose you couldn't tell. Then what? How could you prove it you were right? you might touch things (that's what I do) thinking that I can prove it for sure that way. But no, they feel exactly the same! You end up with: I guess I can't tell the difference!
torakrubik wrote:I stress that 'lucid' dreaming is only defined by being aware in the dream that you are dreaming. The control and vividness are then linked to this, but not strictly 'lucid' properties.
Yes, this is true, dreams generally become more vivid and able to be controlled when lucid, but the reality is that we all are controlling every dream so as you say, dream control is not lucidity. I am beginning to become aware of this function of control and can see it peripherally. I have acheived a level of control, but don't think it's that useful. I like the surprise element and much more interested in exploration of the new world.
It's important for people to know this, and it's not trying to diminish anyone's experiences which are very personal. I just think that there is lot more to experience for a lot of people. Dreams can be experienced in exactly the same way you experience waking life, not just controlled like switching channels on the TV.
The limits of the dream world are only capped by the limits of your own imagination! Beginners need to learn that, while flying and breathing underwater are cool, people need to think outside of the box. You can enhance your spirit and your daily, waking life, through experiences and things you learn from lucid dreaming.
I believe that, more than just exploring your mind, lucid dreaming could possibly be the next step in the evolutionary "chain".
We can learn new things and better our understanding of ourselves as people and maybe as a species!
Only time will tell.
lucidinthe sky wrote:I feel like the Mars Curiousity rover exploring another planet, testing things with probes and taking in the data.
I do the same sometimes. It's not a true science that can be tested by others and get the same result (at least not the experience), however it can be explored like a new island or another planet that someone else has never been to. You can test various things and observe the life forms and take notes and record your findings, but others can only take your word for it. Sometimes I like to study lucid dreaming from within too.
I don't control too much of the 'world' in a lucid dream, but I do have free will and can control my choices. I was in a lucid dream once and was with my brother who doesn't lucid dream and I was showing him around. I was in a large, palatial room with high ceilings and I told him, "You see, this is what a lucid dream is like. I am seeing this for the first time just as you are and even I am amazed by it and don't know what is around every corner or behind every door."
I can only influence the dream to a degree and have never controlled absolutely everything.
Right now I have been really careful not to change anything, just observe, test things, evaluate the world around me rather than using the dream to create fantasies which might come later. It's important for me to establish the baseline norms of the new world before potentially upsetting the balance. Want to check everything out completely before disturbing it in any way.
I just realized that part of what completely amazes me about the experience is the complete and total separation which occurs between my conscious thinking mind and the dream reality which exists and goes on without my direct control. That's another part of lucid dreams that is exactly the same as waking life. It's really mind-blowing for me. The waking world as we know it exists in a consistant way, regardless of our conscious thinking mind is doing. In non-lucid dreams the experience feels more integrated and I'm not sure how much of that separation people are experiencing. Now that I've been lucid dreaming for almost a year, I am starting to know that non-lucid dreams are really the same level of realness and separation we just are not able to evaluate it consciously while it's happening.
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