Beginners: Lucid Dreaming is LOTS MORE than dream control

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Re: Beginners: Lucid Dreaming is LOTS MORE than dream contro

Postby Peter » 14 Sep 2012 23:40

Lucid dreams are constant but not based on the same logic of daily life so in a sense there is stability there. I will change things in a dream to suit, I have taken part in a study recently and we were trying to see if we could influence daily behavior with dreaming and lucid dreaming. In this study I placed some doors in a wall so I could be somewhere and see something on the other side. The most startling dream was a deep lucid where the dream created itself and I got what I needed without any awareness of influencing the dreamscape.
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Re: Beginners: Lucid Dreaming is LOTS MORE than dream contro

Postby lucidinthe sky » 15 Sep 2012 00:19

Peter wrote:Lucid dreams are constant but not based on the same logic of daily life so in a sense there is stability there. I will change things in a dream to suit..


You can make them anyway you want, not necessarily sharing the same logic as waking life but that is a common mode for dreams to be in since it is what we are most familiar with. Once you get more experience doing it I would imagine it's easier to go into different scenarios with confidence which has a lot to do with what creates stability. Right now, I am just more fascinated with the mode of replicating our waking life to see how exact it can be, but I have also done things like flying and breathing under water too. Once I get more experience and confidence, I will start trying to change things.

Peter wrote:The most startling dream was a deep lucid where the dream created itself and I got what I needed without any awareness of influencing the dreamscape.


I think this is the same or a similar experience to what I was trying describe in another post. I was knew that the dream was doing exactly what I wanted, but the desires were coming from another location, sort of could see it happen but not directly aware of how it was being done or from where. Trying to figure this out lately. Of course I would be very interested in any more thoughts about this.
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Re: Beginners: Lucid Dreaming is LOTS MORE than dream contro

Postby Peter » 15 Sep 2012 03:21

This might have been a little different, I was working with a researcher and seeding a dream with the elements of a green glass door that was to be the entrance to a trading room, computer screens that were share trading screens and wanting to remove any hesitation in entering a trade when I see high probability chart patterns.

The dream as follows,

The last paragraph is of interest as in this one I had stopped looking for doors and expecting something on the other side, it was created by the dreamscape and the green ice was the green glass. This was the first time I had encountered this and the decent is the journey or way of believing in yourself - mixture of confidence and experience.

Lucid Dream 2nd report
Relaxing and feelings of body going to sleep coming on – In kitchen using the waste disposal and the lights went out, dam – fuse blown. Think the lights and the disposal are on different circuits – aha, I must be dreaming. I wake up and start to relax again.
Instantly asleep and then in airport lounge talking to Marian on cell phone. Phone feels funny and I look and it is an old type of phone. I think I must be dreaming and look around the lounge and it is so real I am not sure. I put my hand through the wooden support of the chair and yes I am dreaming. I decide to go and close my dream eyes ( I have learnt to close them in the first stages of a dream as it greatly deepens the state) I am being rushed backwards at a great speed and for a long time. I now have my eyes open and am in the 3D darkness or void and just let this rushing backwards happen until I feel myself slowing down.

I am in a big city, European by the look of it. There are big stone buildings and the streets are pave with a central pond as well. I walk into a shop and find a blank wall. I ask and will for a doorway and this is to lead me into a trading room. A door appears on the wall and I struggle to get it open. It opens but is not a room but like a folding window shutter and in the space behind there are works of art. I look at these and each time I move my eyes a little a new work appears. There are as many as I wish to see and they are incredible water colour works. ( I would love to paint these as they were truly unique and a little abstract)

Walking in market with stalls everywhere, now indoor markets and looking for blank spot. Found one after a while and after looking around and talking to people (3 females were lying down and one was annoyed as her head was not connected to her body, she was under a sheet and I put it back on for her. They were all happy at this – It was a dream!) I moved on and found a space inside a hallway. I asked and willed a door in the wall, opened it and walked into a room. Again no screens after I asked for them but more incredible art. The works were unlimited and just kept appearing each time I had my fill of looking at one. Again abstract watercolours that gave a sense and feeling of pleasure in looking at them. Also wonder at the artists ability to create them.

Last lucid and created by the dreamscape


Walking along a road, on bridge, look at water in river and it is frozen and looks like green glass. I step onto the ice and it is hard, beautiful and very cold and again ask and will for a door several times. Nothing happens. I put my arm out and an iron bar appears in my hand. I scratch and chip the outline of double doors in the ice, it is hard and this takes a while. I put two handles in the middle. I chip at the handle area unit it softens a little and then jump up and land hard on the handles. I get through and sink into cold green slurry of ice water. No panic as I have breathed in water, solid rock and in space many times so I enjoy the sinking feeling and drift down for a long way feeling the cold and soaking in the energy of the ice. I am now in a concrete room, my trading room and ask for screens. Instead I get tables with drawers like in a museum and so start to open them. Each one is filled with inventions made of steel, jade, stone and other materials that I have never seen. I pick some up and feel them, play with them and wonder what they are for. There are hundreds of these objects in each drawer.
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Re: Beginners: Lucid Dreaming is LOTS MORE than dream contro

Postby moik » 15 Sep 2012 11:37

Good thread, interesting and useful for a beginner like me - thank you.


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