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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Posted: 29 Jan 2015 00:37
by deschainXIX
As in the case of the questionable ethos of universal DNA databases (for law enforcement purposes), I don't really see why people have a problem with government mind reading. As long as they can't convict you for what they find or use it for actionable information. They would only do it to search for terrorist activity, just like watching the internet. If you're not planning on taking up any criminal activity, what's the pragmatic case against solidarity? Just seems like paranoia to me...

Probably, though, in reality, I would feel just as uncomfortable as you all being under surveillance. *neutral shrug*

Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Posted: 29 Jan 2015 02:48
by Summerlander
I concur with deschain and tania. :-*

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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Posted: 29 Jan 2015 03:31
by nesgirl
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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Posted: 29 Jan 2015 10:39
by Snaggle
deschainXIX wrote:As in the case of the questionable ethos of universal DNA databases (for law enforcement purposes), I don't really see why people have a problem with government mind reading. As long as they can't convict you for what they find or use it for actionable information. They would only do it to search for terrorist activity, just like watching the internet. If you're not planning on taking up any criminal activity, what's the pragmatic case against solidarity? Just seems like paranoia to me...

Probably, though, in reality, I would feel just as uncomfortable as you all being under surveillance. *neutral shrug*


Hint DNA databases: our government developed the bio-weapons to kill off the individual racial stocks two generations ago. I've been lol recently when they've been hinting in the news they might develop them [one of my relatives was the mad scientist that developed one of them]. I don't know if they have targetted ones right now, but the odds are they have them for all the races that make up the big three racial stocks and the more DNA data they collect the more certain it is that they'll be able to kill small groups, families and individuals with it. As I said to Summerland don't let them herd you into the big cities as they're doing ;)

You've also obviously missed the real Snowden leaks that the NSA spying is being done for the corporations and not to caught criminals. Do you really want corporations to know exactly how much you make, your assets and expenses and then decide how much they're going to charge you. To spy on and steal, sabotage or kill any inventors inventing something useful or threatening their existing business.

Ignoring that everything they're going is unconstitutional and against the public good, that the supreme law of America is the constitution and that anyone in or out of government violating it both a criminal and a traitor.

Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Posted: 29 Jan 2015 11:22
by Summerlander
Yeah, but, Snaggle, you also told me Hitler was an atheist ("Religion & Politics: Iraqi Crisis"). Anyway, yes, there is a difference between lucid dreaming and astral projection. In the latter, the individual doesn't know he's dreaming. :-D

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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Posted: 29 Jan 2015 18:55
by deschainXIX
@nesgirl: I specifically addressed Orwellian thoughtcrime in my post, and you even quoted it. "As long as they can't convict you for what they find or use it as actionable information." But, yes, you've realized the problem with convicting someone of thoughtcrime. We don't have much control over our actions, but we have even less control over our minds. We can thank the subconscious for that. But the fun side of thought is that it doesn't affect anyone else. If a randomized "thought survey" alerts the authorities to a suburbian teenager masturbating to the thought of blowing up his school, perhaps they should have this individual under surveillance. As they should. There is no logical argument that supports the total condemnation of thought reading if innocent lives can be saved.

I guess the primary difference between myself and Snaggle (and nesgirl, for that matter) is that I don't buy into the "They" delusion. :D

(And nope, I didn't miss the Snowden incident. Dunno how you came to that interesting conclusion or how it pertains to this.)

Thought reading would certainly revolutionize politics. That I will say. :)

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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Posted: 29 Jan 2015 20:29
by nesgirl
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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Posted: 29 Jan 2015 20:54
by Peter
But what if the individual has absolutely no intention of doing so


and what if these thoughts are not his or hers but introduced by another government so a an act of terrorism can be performed.

No different that some religious sects that we have now

If this control is possible then the debate is already lost and its only a matter of time.

Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Posted: 29 Jan 2015 20:58
by deschainXIX
What... what... what...

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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Posted: 29 Jan 2015 21:01
by nesgirl
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