I don't know how to train my conscious mind to recognize the dream signs for what they are. Once in a while it just dawns on me that this is not normal, but often I happily ignore the unusual situation in my dream state and do not become lucid. I DO have an idea how to train my subconscious, by doing reality checks. If I get so this is "habit" then it is part of the subconscious, I believe, and at least can bridge the gap that direction.
Any thoughts on how to get your "conscious" mind (while sleeping) to recognize the dream signs I am seeing in my subconscious?
rothgar wrote:Any thoughts on how to get your "conscious" mind (while sleeping) to recognize the dream signs I am seeing in my subconscious?
Well, first, I think your assessment of RC/DS is valid. Yep, that's what we're basically trying to do--bridge that gap between waking and sleeping by working on RCs and Dreamsigns.
I think an additional trick (and maybe you've already thought of this) is to combine Reality Checks and Dreamsigns. We keep dream journals in order to start to consciously recognize the terrain of our dreams, and our dreamsigns show us that terrain and are the bullet points for becoming lucid. So it's important to start to try to recognize dreamsigns as well during the day and then do RCs accordingly.
I guess you could think of it as a type of feedback loop that, hopefully, bridges the gap between waking and dreaming. Recognizing dreamsigns and doing RCs during the day should help in doing the same while dreaming--causing lucidity. And even just recognizing that something in a dream isn't "quite normal" gives us new grist for RCs during the day.
By the way, I'm still working on this myself--although I'm starting to get better at it.
Hope my logic isn't loopy here...
How’s it goin? Very succinctly expressed. I do understand what you’re asking but if the goal is to cultivate a greater frequency of lucidity within dreams I would actually suggest going about it in a different way.
Consider that there is no gap between the “conscious mind” and “subconscious mind” and that it only appears to be so do to the lack of continuous Attention. If this idea can be accepted, then the solution is simple. You must only focus on strengthening your ability to remain Attentive – that is, your ability to seamlessly shift your Attention from Physical Experience to Reality (non-physical experience).
I would suggest that you consider moving your focus away from attempting to train your “conscious” mind with reality checks all together because that will never really actually happen. You can’t train the untrainable. As a hypnotist of 23 years, I could explain that in more detail if you’d like however, at the moment, for this conversation, pursuing that idea, I feel, will hinder you.
In my experience, there is only one key in “bridging the gap” between Physical Experience and Reality and that is Attention. If you were to focus on this one thing with the principle idea that there really is no gap, you will learn to pass seamlessly, at will, between Physicality and Reality. I found that the best place to start is with a WILD methodology that you feel comfortable with. I have some suggestions for that as well if you’re interested. I know it’s not the question you asked but I think it’s the best answer if you desire more lucid dreams.
TaoTeRazz - you mentioned suggestions for WILD. I'm really interested.
Yeah Thomas, I'll post my personal technique over in the, "Lucid Dreaming Techniques" and I'll title my thread, “ TaoTeRazzs’ At Will Technique.”
Yeah, and this thread should examine even closer, the problem with reality checking and trying to recognize dream signs. I can tell you why it's a "problem."
Has anybody else wondered why they've not had much success with reality testing and checking for dreamsigns? Well, the (very) short of it is because the practice and methodology was constructed upon a misconceived idea and understanding of the nature of mind and the human condition. Now I suppose an explorer has to start somewhere but in the progress of exploration, one must apply knowledge and experience in order to evolve or move toward ones stated or ultimate intent. If it is ones intention to cultivate the proficiency of lucidity within the reality of the Dream World to be “at will”, then ya gotta let go of reality checks and memorizing dream signs for MILDs and DILDs. If, on the other hand however, you’re simply looking for or satisfied with the occasional or happen circumstance lucid dream experience, then by all means, continue on.
But just so you know, MILDs and DILDs are predicated on the idea that you can simply talk or will your way into lucidity. This is unlikely to happen. There is a lot more behind this as you could perhaps imagine and I'd love to share but with respect to Rebecca, admin and/or the mods, I don't want to go spouting off about it and overstep my bounds. With permission though, I would love to help advance the cause.
So share away
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