mirrors in lucid dream

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hanscastrop
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Re: mirrors in lucid dream

Postby hanscastrop » 02 Apr 2017 17:19

jasmine2 wrote:I think mirrors in dreams may -
- act like a magic portal into other realms of experience
- or show us different, unrealized aspects of ourselves
- or they sometimes represent an abstract, metaphorical symbol for the pure essence of awareness, which reflects life experiences but is itself infinite and unchanging.

I suggest the following articles - about dream mirrors and multiple, probable selves.

- Lucid Dreaming Experience Magazine - dreaminglucid.com - Sept. 2013 - vol. 2, no.2
Several article about dream mirrors

- Shaman's Mirrors - shamansmirrors.weebly.com
Excerpt - From section about Buddhist mirrors (Melong) -
"Your mind is like the mirror, in itself empty, but it will reflect everything that is exposed to it without changing, because it has no judgement or attachment on what it reflects."

- Electric Dreams - Lucid Laboratory - by Lucy Gillis - improverse.com
(Excerpt from Lucid Dream Exchange)
She describes dreams about a hall of mirrors, and also, parallel reality and multiple selves.


Thanks a lot I will read these!

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Re: mirrors in lucid dream

Postby hanscastrop » 02 Apr 2017 17:38

Petal wrote:I would guess you prefer freedom to introspection by which way you choose to face out looking out at the clouds moving. Sky being a metaphor for intelligent freedom of thought. Im not sure I know much about mirrors in dreams, I do often play about with mirrors when I do become lucid. If I'm having a conscious out of body experience, which in my case are more often not, inadvertent and involuntary, I often think "oh well, might as well go and look at myself" in the down stairs mirror on my way out the house. I fine generally I look better and younger than I do in real life. It's as if I see myself as I'd like to be.
When I was involuntarily astral projecting as a young teenager, (I have no other way of describing my early out of body experience. Although I am starting to question what those experiences were and if my consciousness can completely split from the physical) I did experience seeing my own "ghost hands" pulling me back into my physical body. As I struggled, unaware I was out of my physical, to go tell my mum in another room I was having a nightmare, my room would twist and turn about so I would end up staring down at my body before it pulled me back in. I didn't particularly like the changes in my body at that time, which could be an explanation why I had got out of it. I also used to feel a sensation as if my sheets were slipping off me and then found an explanation, about it being when energy of the etheric body splits from the physical body or shift as conscious states shift in sleep. (Again I am questioning my beliefs on this)
I've seen myself split into three stages of the hag, the Maiden, the Mother, and the Crone, before now in a lucid dream. I did note, my hair was longer in all three stages that it was in reality. Hair is a symbol of self image and sexuality. To have longer hair means a feeling of empowerment and freedom. I personally took my dream to express what I thought of myself, as someone who flys around at night like as witch might. It was also a dream about maturing and me questioning my life aspirations.
Interpretation of dreams have to considered personal associations before general symbolism to have any true and useful credence. Saying that, may be you should look at and think about the numerology of your dreams. If your astral body splits in two, then perhaps your dream is about shifting balance or the balance of your two life interests running off in two directions. I'm no expert but the number two also can represent fairness like the two side of the scales of justice. Four is meant to be a stabilising number. Other obvious dream symbols you mentioned, are the old woolly jumper that's usually about comfort, funerals mean endings, graves a way of coping with loss and being on a different planet seems to suggest a complete change of prospective. Moons, mirrors and reflections are all associated with emotions and the element of water in elemental magic, maybe a leaning towards the feminine too. I still say you have a preference for the elemental associations of air though. Moving objects or walls could be about your shifting ideas about things. If you were napping after an intensive learning and/or creative session you could have radically understood stuff in a new way. That kind of mental big shift would also make you tired and unable to free yourself from a sleeping state. Whenever, I feel like that, instead of trying to wake up, I try to go deeper in to a proper state of sleep to give my mind a proper rest and to recuperate.
In Fung Chi the use of mirrors in bedrooms are discouraged because they are said to disturb sleep. The surface is said to refract and distort chi (energy) direction as it does light. See http://openspacesfengshui.com/feng-shui-tips/2009/12/feng-shui-mirror-in-bedroom/ for more info. I do believe the arrangement of furniture and such can have an effect on the feeling of a room. If you spend a lot of time in one room and it not arranged comfortably it can have a psychologic effect that could if not recognised in time physical health. One of the reasons I left my old job was because I found the old poorly consider building depressing. Certainly mirrors that reflect sunlight in strong beams can be discomforting as well as being a fire hazard. Refracted light after a long time of concentration would give some people headaches. I have colleagues who are sensitive to bright lights and we have to close curtains and such so they can concentrate in training sessions. I do always make sure that I can not see my reflection in a mirror while in bed, or meditating or doing any kind of reading. Seeing myself does distract me from any kind of quiet inward focusing.


Thanks a lot for your interest and understanding. Yes, I have the feeling there is a paradigm change concerning the way I see/understand things. I must allow myself, to rest or to go deeper in the experience, but I have a guardmechanism, a kind of fear or blockage that holds me back. I also don't allow my self to rest mostly, if I don't feel like I didn`t work enough that day. I can be quite cruel to myself. Even though I know the reasons why, I can't break the loop, I repeat some pattern that I already understood why I should not repeat... It is more about breaking this blockage to get the knowledge out of the experience, because the later understanding of it will be forgotten as useful data when it starts again and that leads to a loop.

I will check about numerology-related issues and I must say the concepts you talk about like justice and fairness was keeping me busy for a while. And yes my life has more than two directions that take off out of my control sometimes. I don't live in my homeland and I deal with irrelevant realties all the time etc...

I don't like to have mirrors in my work and sleep space neither. But I might rearrange things in the room to change the direction of the light and reflections. thanks!

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Re: mirrors in lucid dream

Postby Petal » 04 Apr 2017 12:45

lucidé wrote:I don't see that mirrors are a problem in lucid dreams. My sensei has mirrors in the dojo where I practice the martial arts. They just don't have windows. I've had accidental lucid dreams in that dojo when they had me meditate in there, and it didn't affect me at all in a bad way. I just was unable to see my reflection in that mirror in my lucid dream in that dojo (I did see the reflection of my clone).

Hello lucidé, I've just written about what I think I'm up to on Price post on WILDs vs Astral. Your input would be very welcome there. I am aware of what I'm doing now, and not all my experiences have been or are ill controlled, I'm just having a problem when I have an over tired mind. I am revising my routines practice and beliefs, inline with current thinking.
I don't believe mirrors or any other poorly consider arrange furniture is some how magically detrimental to sleeping or dreaming. I meant only to suggest that as mirrors have many superstitions attached to them, that may play on some sensitive person subconscious, (such as mine). Also some mirrors have bevelled edges or slight distorted that can alter images or refract multiples if glances upon indirectly. If a mind does not picks up on these consciously, it might internalise the abnormality and projected it back in dreams in an odd fashion. Of course mirrors in a dojo would be perfectly suitable for the rooms fung chi and function. You would want them to observe your form as you practice. I just don't think they are necessary or helpful in areas set aside for sleep, academic study or meditation. I also hate seeing myself in bed, especially if I've just woken up after a rough shift at work. Looking at tired stress eyes is not going to put anyone in a easy and conducive frame of mind.
Anyhow, Kind Regards. I hope to see you about...

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Re: mirrors in lucid dream

Postby Petal » 04 Apr 2017 12:53

hanscastrop wrote:
Thanks a lot for your interest and understanding. Yes, I have the feeling there is a paradigm change concerning the way I see/understand things. I must allow myself, to rest or to go deeper in the experience, but I have a guardmechanism, a kind of fear or blockage that holds me back. I also don't allow my self to rest mostly, if I don't feel like I didn`t work enough that day. I can be quite cruel to myself. Even though I know the reasons why, I can't break the loop, I repeat some pattern that I already understood why I should not repeat... It is more about breaking this blockage to get the knowledge out of the experience, because the later understanding of it will be forgotten as useful data when it starts again and that leads to a loop.

I will check about numerology-related issues and I must say the concepts you talk about like justice and fairness was keeping me busy for a while. And yes my life has more than two directions that take off out of my control sometimes. I don't live in my homeland and I deal with irrelevant realties all the time etc...

I don't like to have mirrors in my work and sleep space neither. But I might rearrange things in the room to change the direction of the light and reflections. thanks!


It is a pleasure, hanscastrop, to reply and an interesting dream. I also, liked and found interesting, Jasmines suggestion and references of mirrors as portals. I have thought of that but I decided it might be too introspective a journey and so have never tried it. As a natural introvert, I'm too self reflective anyway and have to push myself to go out side of myself, socialise and learn things from others instead of just books and dreams. Also, and as I'm sure you know, taking brakes from study and doing something entirely different is said to be more productive than continual stints. That is easier considered than done, in my experience.
It is interesting you mentioning loops. I think, I and a client accidentally manage to hypnotise a colleague the other day by using repetitive sign language. We were jokingly repeating the makaton for pizza and chips with big exaggerated movements,(because that is what we wanted for tea) while I was having a conversation with my colleague about makaton training. I saw my colleague kind of physically twitch/glitch/stall and then she said she had just had a strange feeling of déjà vu. It wasn't until I read your reply about loops and perhaps, getting stuck in a paradigm, that I started to wonder about if it was something about our personal milieu and behaviour that had coursed the deja vu. Maybe by repetitive study of thoughts you get stuck in the paradigm. I know hypnotic script and cognitive therapy use repeated patterns of words to induce susceptive states. Music practice, I guess, could be particularly trance inducing. Including the mirrors, it's possible that could result in a dream about repetitive selves.
Anyhow, Kind Regards. I hope to see you about...


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