Life after death & Lucid dreaming

Discuss paranormal activity linked with sleep and dreams, such as out of body experiences, astral projection and psychic dreams.
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Re: Life after death & Lucid dreaming

Postby lucidé » 28 Feb 2017 15:51

Then how about lucide watches this fun video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtDYvFLTBoY
An example of lucid dreaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW7ps_VSPkg (1:46 Is that me or is this me? "Am I still dreaming?") Simpsons example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3X1n5Yny3g

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Re: Life after death & Lucid dreaming

Postby Summerlander » 28 Feb 2017 17:26

People can change. You are tackling your depression well. Congratulations. You have always been quite a unique character---like a special marmite---and this is a compliment. :)
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Life after death & Lucid dreaming

Postby lucidé » 28 Feb 2017 17:39

Summerlander wrote:People can change. You are tackling your depression well. Congratulations. You have always been quite a unique character---like a special marmite---and this is a compliment. :)


Unlike nesgirl, I wouldn't be tackling my depression. This is what I would call my happy time or whatever you want to call it, and it's almost like I am extremely high on caffeine or something like that. I just end up crashing after a while, and will end up depressed like a crashed buzz after a while.
An example of lucid dreaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW7ps_VSPkg (1:46 Is that me or is this me? "Am I still dreaming?") Simpsons example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3X1n5Yny3g

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Re: Life after death & Lucid dreaming

Postby Summerlander » 28 Feb 2017 18:43

Here's something more pertinent that I'd like to share here from the book The Hot Zone:

'Once a biological machine stops, it can never be started again. It goes into a cascade of decay, falling towards disorder and randomness. Except in the case of viruses. They can turn off and go dead. Then, if they come in contact with a living system, they switch on and multiply.'

~Richard Preston
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Life after death & Lucid dreaming

Postby lucidé » 28 Feb 2017 20:27

I just want the ability to live in a lucid dream indefinitely. The cool thing about that, is you have the ability to make it fun, positive or negative. So it would probably take at least a millennia or 2 for one to get boring. Even longer if you had specific dream powers on top of that.

Summerlander, it looks like you won victory on this thread, although I think I am the one responsible for scaring users away from this thread and the others, not you, just because you've convinced them all that I am some sort of horrible evil flaming monster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WuFsKTw5UI
An example of lucid dreaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW7ps_VSPkg (1:46 Is that me or is this me? "Am I still dreaming?") Simpsons example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3X1n5Yny3g

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Re: Life after death & Lucid dreaming

Postby Pilgrim » 06 Mar 2017 08:43

Summerlander wrote:'In the entire first Christian century Jesus is not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence. Zero! Zip references.'

~Dr. Bart Ehrman; Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

On his Father:

What was God's role in the 2011 Fukushima earthquake and tsunami, which caused the death of over 19,000 people? Was he unaware it was happening? Aware but unwilling to stop it? Aware but unable to stop it? Deliberately caused it?

'The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity, I am the LORD creating all these.'

~Isaiah 45:7

Pilgrim is unable to cogently answer to these statements. The best he can do is produce the ad hominem that Summerlander's attitude and approach is unpleasant and because of this people will simply disregard the aforementioned facts. Well, facts are facts no matter how they are dished out---and Pilgrim is well aware of the fact that he doesn't have a leg to stand on. :D


Summerlander quotes Ehrman because Dawkins and Hitchens do.

Here is a debate between Wallace and Ehrman at Duke University, if you are interested in basic overview of evidence. It is duplicate posted, so the debate is really only half of the he 3 hour length.

https://youtu.be/TVlapUsHxhg

Has Summerlander any idea of the evidence for the New Testament verses any other Greco-Roman literature and history? Any idea the quantity and dating of earliest manuscripts of Josephus, Tacitis, Plato, Aristotle, etc.? The evidence is non-existent relative to the New Testament.

Dating of p52 from Gospel of John, might barely miss 100 AD. Ehrman takes 130 AD plus or minus 25 years. Ehrman's assertion regarding first century extant documents is stretching for something that might be technically correct, but is highly misleading. If Wallace is correct, publication regarding finding from the gospel of Mark that dates to 70 AD is to be released soon. If paleontologists give consensus of first century date, we can all be confident that Summerlander will return to correct his false post, right?

The dispersion of the New Testament to different locales provides comparative corroboration of early source. Evidence for NT includes translations, over 5000 extant Greek manuscripts. Supporting fragments exist from the 100s-200s AD. Complete and a substantially complete ones date to 300s (codex Sinaiticus and codex B, respectively).

Quotations from early church leaders is yet another corroboration of NT.

Compare and know facts, not propaganda rooted in ideology.

No need for me to restate my view of the problem of evil. In so far as I cannot fully explain, I have always admitted.

Similarly, Summerlander has no cogent answer for design of everything from nothing. I previously put less weight in the teleological argument, until observing the sad attempt of New Atheists to refute it. Humans and everything else just happened by accident!! Design is not an illusion.

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Re: Life after death & Lucid dreaming

Postby Summerlander » 06 Mar 2017 10:26

Look at Pilgrim so eager to believe in medieval nonsense! :lol:

Again, no real refutation of the statements and quotes which I presented. :roll:

As for how everything is likely to have arisen from nothing, I have explained it ad nauseum but he just doesn't understand it. You can always read A Universe from Nothing by Lawrence Krauss for updates in cosmology and physics showing how a state of nothingness is highly unstable and hence the Big Bang, CBR and Hubble's law.

You can also read into evolutionary biology to grasp Darwinism and understand why life appears to be intelligently designed at first glance but isn't---and how certain features in nature, like the human eye, are faulty and show that a hypothetical designer would have to be an incompetent nitwit. :!:

Anyone who even thinks there might be some weight to the teleological argument, or even the eutaxiology of Anaxagoras as I recently expatiated on, does not understand evolution or the process of natural selection. Pilgrim happens to be such individual. :)

Stop thinking that the answers are only in one book, Pilgrim. I feel sorry for you because you will always be stuck in your theological rut. You need Peter Boghossian's 'cure'. :mrgreen:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Life after death & Lucid dreaming

Postby lucidé » 06 Mar 2017 17:44

I believe the universe didn't come from nothing pilgrim. What I personally believe is when one universe dies, parts of that universe are used to create new universes, kind of like DNA. Even when our universe dies, one or more universes will be born in their place. Life as we know it never truly ends.
I do believe there are some things to think about out of your book, don't get me wrong. I really believe there is more to this universe than what science currently understands. I have a huge hunch there is life on other planets, and that we live in a multiverse.
An example of lucid dreaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW7ps_VSPkg (1:46 Is that me or is this me? "Am I still dreaming?") Simpsons example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3X1n5Yny3g

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Re: Life after death & Lucid dreaming

Postby Summerlander » 06 Mar 2017 17:52

Many Christians like the Big Bang because it means there is a beginning. But this universe is, most likely, a sprout in a multiverse. I think Pilgrim doesn't like the idea. According to Pilgrim, aliens will go to hell because they never experienced Christ. :lol:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Life after death & Lucid dreaming

Postby lucidé » 06 Mar 2017 18:46

Neither did most of the animals. Remember how I mentioned that animals are innocent before? I am sure there is life on other planets out there, and life in other multiverses. Several pieces of evidence link to life on other planets, such as there being other planets like ours, water on some of the other planets, and also there are bacteria found on some of these planets as well.


Why would the aliens go to Hades? They didn't kill anyone, deal in drugs, or steal anything as far as we know. If some religions and people are condemning animals or species from another planet that don't even know us, I feel really sorry they feel in that way. Species from other planets are just as much life as we are, and they deserve the same amount of respect as any living creature.

At least this Animaniacs cartoon shows clever ways on how we can be annoying and get ourselves kicked out using clever dream controls: https://tune.pk/video/1500361/animaniacs-hot-bothered-amp-bedeviled
An example of lucid dreaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW7ps_VSPkg (1:46 Is that me or is this me? "Am I still dreaming?") Simpsons example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3X1n5Yny3g


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