Travels of a Dreamwalker - karen659

Tell us about your first lucid dream - and your latest. We want all the juicy details. Also share results of dream challenge experiments.
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Re: Travels of a Dreamwalker - karen659

Postby karen659 » 18 Jul 2011 01:30

Peter wrote:Hi Karen,

....What in your opinion is the difference between a WILD or and OOB?, do they both end in a LD ?
Do they all lead to the same place? I do have some thoughts but they may be tempered by more experience and control and not be valid for defining differences

Peter


Hi Peter! and sorry for any delay, I didn't get notified I had a response here!

I'm afraid you may not like what I will say, in that I feel there is NO need to make a 'defining difference' between these. Yes, there are major differences in how these experiences play out, however, there is truly just an 'energy' difference and a variable 'connection' that we have and interpret individually.

By assigning a definition or name to a dream experience where we KNOW we have control, whether LD or WILD, we give credence to our beliefs that we have not 'succeeded' with an OBE and lose faith. I do not specifically try to delineate definitions between them, always wanting to show how close these experiences are to actually being out of body!! It truly is MY belief, that all these experiences are in some way a type of out of body event, and that it is our own interpretation that limits our abilities.

I will also post here an response I gave to another poster who asked if I felt my 'lack of recall' with these experiences did NOT actually mean I had an OBE....

I have had all types of OBEs, with all sorts of levels of awareness and lucidity. I believe it strongly depends on how 'high' or 'low' you are in your level of connection and vibration. (I really don't like to use 'high' and 'low' but it's the best analogy we have right now to use to describe the differences)

When first learning to use 'astral' senses there is a lot of 'blurring' and limitations, IMO, depending on your personal level of energy and spiritual development. It does improve over time, but there will always be those times when your energies are not 'focused' enough or other issues that can influence your experience.

There is so much we do not know about this process, and IMO, labeling only specific types of OBEs as 'true' OBEs will severely limit your ability to understand and experience more levels.

I will also say that I notice when I go into the 'higher level' OBEs that I am aware I am fully lucid and in control yet when I have to try to process what I did into this lower physical level of 'mere words' that my recall and ability to describe and remember is very limited. Many times I'm only left with a 'feeling' or 'sense' of what I did but with no specific memories to write about. But I KNOW I was OOB, and experiencing some sort of learning.

If you read through my blog, you'll find all levels of 'awareness', from awesome clear 'low level near-physical' ones to higher level less remembered ones....looking quickly, I found these where I was very aware and in total control:
http://karen659.blogspot.com/2009/01/96-death-transition-and-full-power-obe.html
http://karen659.blogspot.com/2011/02/139-gaining-lucidity-with-stay-aware.html

I don't purport to be anyone special doing this, only someone who wants to share what I have learned to those who seek to know. I also strive to make sure everyone knows that they will have a very personal and individual way of learning to do this...no two will be exactly the same as we all do not have the same beliefs, fears, and values that greatly influence our thoughts and actions (and memories) while in the astral.


I do hope this helps answer your question!

-Karen
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Re: Travels of a Dreamwalker - karen659

Postby karen659 » 18 Jul 2011 01:31

2011_07_14 150) Total Control OOB in Astral City; More Tips and Techniques

This is going to be a long one, but it’s filled with good information including more tips and techniques for getting out of body.

To preface this OOBE, I want to mention that I had set intentions to do a few things when I next had an OOBE. From a previous post recommendation, I was told that I should try to remember to ask someone if they could tell me how I could have a better recall with my experiences, since I lose so much upon waking.

In addition, I have been enjoying a daily walk that includes a beautiful view overlooking countryside and each time I pass by, I affirm I want to ‘fly again’ like the birds I see over the landscape and enjoy that freedom, since it’s been a while since I ‘consciously’ did that during an experience.

Also, in my past few posts you can read that I’ve learn how to change textures while OOB using only my mind and understanding ‘reality’ as we experience it. I have been having some great discussions on the Facebook site with others about this as well as using borderline consciousness states just as you wake to induce OBEs.

With all of this as a prelude to my OBE, you’ll understand better why I’m so excited about what happened, despite the fact that the actual plot of the OBE was not impressive. This one was more about ‘experiencing’ and understanding, than doing….although I did that too! I hope I’m able to describe what I felt well enough for you to understand as well.

Heading to my couch about 3am, as usual, I decided I’d use my MP3s to help get into the right mind-state, as the past few times I’ve had difficulty falling back asleep or into an OBE. For this one, though, I had a playlist made where I inserted my own voice saying “you’re dreaming” after the guided meditation in hopes of making me become more aware, before it continued into some binaural beat music.

I remember listening to the guided relaxation, fully visualizing my usual protective white light and doing affirmations as I listened, and then, ‘woke’ a bit at the point where I heard my own voice say ‘I’m dreaming’.

In hindsight, this was a waking to in-between conscious state before fully waking, although at the time, I felt fully awake, yet very relaxed as I could not feel my body. I remember turning my head to look at a clock on the wall (one with hands – not digital) and seeing it was already 5am! (The fact that it was a ‘hands’ clock is a key point to my not realizing I was not fully awake…see later)

I remember thinking, ‘oh well, it’s late, but there is still time to get out if I can’…and with that turned back and realized, ‘hey, wait…something is different here’. I did not feel vibrations, nor did I have the usual floating sensation, but something felt very different than ‘real life’ lying on the couch. (I wish I had a better description for you, but it just felt ‘not normal’)

With only that hint of a doubt and remembering that I should not analyze anything but just GO when I have ANY degree of doubt about my ‘reality’, I decided to try to roll out! I was so surprised to find myself now rolling off the couch and falling flat on my face on the floor! But I was out of body!! I felt SO very heavy and had difficulty moving, but so happy to be out!

I was ‘blind’ seeing nothing but darkness and felt my usual need to go ‘to the door!’ to prevent being pulled back in. I tried to move but the strong pulling and tugging made it difficult to get free from the area I was in. I remember moving away, but not completely to the door, when I stopped and thought, ‘wait, maybe I should see why I can’t move’.

With no vision still, I decided I’d try to move around the room, feeling my way, and was busy sensing where the different furniture was using only my sense of ‘vibration’ change. I remember it was fun to try to ‘feel’ where everything was without seeing, and then once knowing I was next to a piece of furniture, changing how it felt to become more solid, and then ‘lighter’ again. (This is so difficult to explain!)

To get my attention, I think, a small kitten appears and I realize I’m now seeing and playing with this kitten next to the door I wished to exit. (I have a cat, but this was a very young unfamiliar kitten). Seeing the door clearly now, I decide to leave and take special effort to open the door the ‘usual way’ so the kitten would not get out, but also remarking to myself, ‘gee that’s silly to open the door when I can just go through it!”

As I exited the door, I found myself in another house, an older one, that had the ‘feel’ of a grandmother’s home and I thought for a bit it was MY grandmother’s home, although it looked a bit different. It is interesting to note that somehow it felt as if it belonged to BOTH my maternal and paternal grandmother!

I was floating above two women who were discussing what to do with the different things in the house, as their mother had passed on and the belongings needed to be divided up. These women felt to be similar to my mother’s sisters, yet the house felt to be my father’s mother’s! I almost felt as though I was eavesdropping on their conversations, as they seemed to have no awareness of my presence. They were reminiscing with each item found and reliving memories of their lives.

With them was a little boy, who was constantly getting into things and being a general nuisance to their work. At one point, I saw the little boy climb something very high and knew he was in trouble. I had to intervene to bring him down safely, and it was at that point the women realized I was there!

What was interesting, though, was that they had no problem with the fact that I was just flying around them and bringing their boy back to safety! Now they are talking with me, and carrying on everyday conversation. I remember telling them about the old hat boxes and others things up in the rafters that I saw when I was flying around there.

What is really fascinating with this experience now is that I am much more aware than I ever have been while out of body! I feel as though I am in FULL control AND remembering more from my actual ‘physical’ life and bringing those thoughts into this experience!

Most times, when within an OBE, I have learned that I cannot stop to ‘think’ and analyze situations and events, as that is when I find myself being pulled back to body. Now, it seems, I have the ability to stop and ‘think’ of what I want to do and to bring in more ‘physical life’ references while keeping the experience going.

This was shown to me a few times, as I remember when I was watching these women pack up and leave the house, I decided I’d fly off to explore other areas. I started to move away from them I recall saying ‘Remember, I’ll see you later!”

It was at that point I realized that I wanted to ask someone while within an experience how could I have better recall when I became fully awake again.

So I turned and swooped back to the one woman and asked, “How can I remember more details when I am back in my body?” and her reply was, “why do you need to remember details? You know you’re out, you know you’re here”…and I replied, “because I like to write and share these experiences and need to have better recall”….but I could see that I was not going to get the answer I wanted, so gave up and flew off.

At another time while within this house, I remembered encountering my current husband and was a bit surprised to see him there! He tried to start a conversation with me, saying something about my son that had to be dealt with, but I recall my response clearly, “do we have to discuss it now? I don’t’ want to talk about it now because I’m out of body and we can do this when I return to my physical body!’ (I am guessing this might have been a challenge to see if I could maintain my awareness with a ‘real life’ person to encounter and deal with!)

I also remember trying to fly face first into an old section of the house above a door, just to show I could! Funny this is, I got stuck half way through and had to extricate myself slowly with some very strong mental affirmations!!

I moved to a flat area next to the grandmother’s house up high in the mountain, and looked out over the city below. Looking back at the house I thought, ‘who’s going to want to live in this old house? It’s so far away from everything and so old, yet it is filled with memories.’ My thoughts explained that this house had served its purpose and was perfect while they were here, but it was not needed any more so it would be gone. In thinking this, there was no strong emotional attachment; it just had to be this way.

Turning to face the city below, I now remember how much I wanted to once again fly over the countryside, swooping and enjoying the freedom it gave me. I took a running leap off the edge and flew over the city below, watching the people and looking into the windows on the various buildings.

I felt this to be an entirely different sort of city, one where people knew you were there and thought nothing of someone flying in to talk with them! One particular encounter I had was swooping down to talk to a young mother who had a child with her. She took advantage of asking me my medical opinion (how she knew I had that background, I don’t know!) about prescribing a certain medication refill for her son and if I’d do it for her.

I had to explain that this was a medication from another doctor and one I was not familiar with so she would have to get it from him. At this point another man stopped by to chat with us, describing his son’s use of that same medication and saying it wasn’t a good one. With that, I flew off.

I found myself with the knowing I was going back to body…and struggled to remember these details. Using my recorder once fully awake, I was so surprised to see via my phone clock that it was yet only 4:55am! I realized now that the clock on the wall that I looked at before was stopped at 2:10am and could not have said 5am!

Had I looked at a digital clock prior to my experience, chances are the numbers would have been abnormal somehow (as I’ve used this signal before) and I would have known for sure I was OOB.

Now, IMO, the learning in this experience I feel was not so much the particular interactions that I had, but the way in which I had the interactions. I was able to stop and take in more of my surroundings, and use recall of my physical life intentions to control what I did within the experience. Most times, I just do whatever comes my way, but for this one, I was the one in complete control of both thoughts and actions!

The realm I was traveling in played out like a ‘regular life’, but yet the people there were accustomed to having travelers like me dropping in. They seemed to know me and didn’t mind my presence, and I was just doing what I wanted when I wanted!

What is also interesting this time is the use of the recording “I’m dreaming” to bring me to a lighter state of awareness. This ‘twilight state’ is very conducive to getting out of body and it is that time when you are not quite asleep, yet not fully awake.

This suggestion might help those who are having difficulty getting out of body or remembering their dreams. With this busy world we live in, most of us are accustomed to jumping out of bed with the alarm each morning, dismissing any thoughts quickly as we prepare for our day.

Why not set the alarm a few minutes earlier? Or even better, use a second alarm that has a softer tone to it earlier than your ‘must get up’ alarm. Upon hearing this softer alarm (a soft chime, gong, or beep), know that you now have been brought to awareness and do not move a muscle. Keep your consciousness aware as you attempt to reconnect to the memories of whatever dream or thoughts you were just having. You may even be able to fade back into the ‘mind-awake, body-asleep’ state that is key for an out of body experience.

While reconnecting, you can use backward recall to find more details, starting with what you remember last and then thinking what happened just before. Use the ‘tagging’ system I mentioned in my blog where key points are ‘tagged’ with a single word for easier recall once fully awake.

Once now fully awake and moving, use these key words to quickly write or record your memories. You’ll find there are times when recurrent themes may be directing your thoughts that offer insight and help with your daily lives. It is by consistent journaling and practice that success will eventually come!

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Re: Travels of a Dreamwalker - karen659

Postby Peter » 18 Jul 2011 07:01

Thanks for the reply and I don’t have issues with anyone’s opinions at all. I tend to agree that the entries can be different but the outcome is the same and in simple terms if the reality is not in WR and is the dream then it is an OOB and ITM (in the mind-just made that up) experience. I am having more LD where the entry is via a roll out of the physical body but still plenty that come while fully asleep. I noticed on the last two LD that occurred via a roll out that I could see a silver cord linking me back to my body and have not looked for or noticed this before. I am keen to see if this link exists while in a LD induced via a RC from a dream state.

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Postby karen659 » 19 Jul 2011 01:37

Peter wrote:Thanks for the reply and I don’t have issues with anyone’s opinions at all. I tend to agree that the entries can be different but the outcome is the same and in simple terms if the reality is not in WR and is the dream then it is an OOB and ITM (in the mind-just made that up) experience. I am having more LD where the entry is via a roll out of the physical body but still plenty that come while fully asleep. I noticed on the last two LD that occurred via a roll out that I could see a silver cord linking me back to my body and have not looked for or noticed this before. I am keen to see if this link exists while in a LD induced via a RC from a dream state.

Peter


ok, I'm not that up on these abbreviations! lol RC? WR? sorry, I just don't completely understand! :?:

But I will say that if you are seeing this 'cord' you are out of body...then you're definition of LD is the same as an OOB, which is fine, as it works for you....

Thanks for replying...
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Postby Peter » 19 Jul 2011 04:10

Thanks. It seems that there are a lot of common experiances and small variations in how they are described. You site is good and I am following up on a few links to see what I can find.

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Re: Travels of a Dreamwalker - karen659

Postby rdubya » 19 Jul 2011 20:31

Karen

When you induced this OBE at 3:00 AM, was this after you had been sleeping or is this when you were getting ready to go to bed?

Also, when you looked at your clock, did you think you were still awake in your meditation state and just wanted to check the time, and then your RC(reality check) clicked in?



PS-- My personal goal right now is to see if their are persistent realities outside of the physical. We all already know there are temporary realities outside of it because we can lucid dream, but are their any persistent and universal(meaning we can all be aware of them) that continue to exist even when we are not aware of them, just as the physical still exists while we are in our minds Lucid Dream.

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Postby karen659 » 20 Jul 2011 00:18

rdubya wrote:Karen

When you induced this OBE at 3:00 AM, was this after you had been sleeping or is this when you were getting ready to go to bed?

Good question, and I'm glad to offer clarification for others too....no, you must get a few hours sleep in as this initial phase of sleep is your 'restorative' sleep, and REM sleep often happens later in the night when you are more likely to experience dreaming.

Therefore, I go to bed about 10pm and sleep till 3am, where I get up and go to the couch. The idea of moving to the couch is to 'set the intention' better for traveling, as sleeping in the bed is associated with 'restorative sleep'....and although I DO have OBE's while there, it's more likely to have them on the couch as my conscious and subconsciousness both realize my intentions better that way.

rdubya wrote:Also, when you looked at your clock, did you think you were still awake in your meditation state and just wanted to check the time, and then your RC(reality check) clicked in?

Yes, I thought I was actually awake and moving my head to look at it, which in hindsight, was my 'astral body' moving...but I didn't realize I was IN my astral body until I turned back and realized something didn't 'feel right'....ANY doubt when trying to OBE should be used as a signal to move...as when you are TRULY awake and aware, there is NO doubt in your mind!

rdubya wrote:PS-- My personal goal right now is to see if their are persistent realities outside of the physical. We all already know there are temporary realities outside of it because we can lucid dream, but are their any persistent and universal(meaning we can all be aware of them) that continue to exist even when we are not aware of them, just as the physical still exists while we are in our minds Lucid Dream.


This is an interesting endeavor, and yes, my opinion is that there ARE 'collective realities' that exist for those who have similar beliefs....we all have a part in creating them, so they can have individual aspects, but also some have very general overall designs that are similar, IMO.

Thanks for writing...
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Re: Travels of a Dreamwalker - karen659

Postby karen659 » 31 Jul 2011 17:52

2011_07_30 152) Seeing Buddy again; Teaching my Daughter

July 30, 2011

For this experience, again I had difficulty in falling back asleep once I moved to the ‘traveling couch’ about 3am. I used the MP3s again to fall back asleep and was disappointed to wake without any memory of dreams or OBE’s at 5am.

Not getting discouraged, I decided to try a different series of MP3s that I had made into a playlist, this one with the recording of the words “I’m dreaming” built in after the guided meditation for induction of the right ‘mind state’, followed by a white noise type binaural beats.

Part of my problem with falling back to sleep and staying asleep was the fact that my new kitten insisted on climbing on top of me and nuzzling me at random times!! I knew this might be an issue for getting OOB, but I remembered I was able to do it before with her here, so I just kept trying.

In hindsight, this may have actually helped me, as I remember starting my tapes and realized my next recollection was of the cat moving around by my legs. In ‘looking’ there, I saw not only my kitten, but also my passed on black lab curled up next to me! He was SO happy to see me and I was ecstatic to be able to rub him and cuddle him again! I do remember thinking he had had a ‘haircut’, and that was unusual, especially since he never needed one before!

It didn’t ‘click’ right away that this was unusual, but then I realized, ‘wait, he can’t be here’ and I strained to remember that I DID take him to the vet last year when he was SO infirmed and sick. My mind was befuddled for a few seconds, as he was here and SO real, that I had to force myself to remember the details of his death to know this was not a ‘physical life’ reality.

What is also unusual though is when I realized I was likely in my ‘astral body’, I didn’t even have the awareness to roll out and move! My next recollection seems to be within a ‘dream’ again, finding myself leisurely walking around a ‘flea market’ of some sort.

I’m looking at objects, talking with people and SUDDENLY, I stop in my tracks with the realization, ‘hey, I could be out of body…maybe I AM dreaming!’ (I was confused when I first woke, wondering why I had this sudden realization as there was no apparent ‘trigger’ in that dream sequence at the flea market –an anomaly or other signal like I just had with my dog Buddy – to trigger this awareness!)

I took the chance I was ‘out’ and tried to do the little jump which confirmed I was out!! (By doing a little jump and seeing how it ‘feels’ more floating and soft, then you know!) I do remember flying around and doing a few things first, but then I remembered I was there with my daughter!

I did a ‘superman pose’ flying swoop to where she was in another room, and she jumped down from some height to be with me. I told her, “You know you’re dreaming, don’t you?” She said, “No, what do you mean?” I said, “You’re are actually dreaming now and you can do whatever you want since you are out of body! You can do flips….(which, with that statement, I realized she CAN do flips already as she is a gymnast!)…well, so you can do that already, but now you can also fly!! Do a little jump, you’ll see!”

With that, she did a little jump, and said, “Wow, this is great! I am dreaming!” and she took off flying and swooping all around the room! She moved outdoors, and now I am watching her ‘remotely’ as if on a screen in front of me. I see her flying all around this playground, having so much fun, doing all kinds of things, and even passing directly through the back of a bench!

As I stood there watching her, I remember clearly thinking, ‘let me try recording now because I really want to remember all that I’ve done!’ So I pull out my recorder, holding it firmly in my hand, and see that it looks totally different from what it normally does. Instead of small and grey, it is rather large and dark colored. Nevertheless, I want to try, and with a click of the switch, I see the lights go on and am thrilled maybe I CAN record ‘from here’ so that I could retain more memories!

I framed the words in my mind and then try to speak….but I had no voice! Such an odd ‘feeling’! I’m trying to ‘talk’, I have the words and memories, but nothing is coming ‘out’! Now my thoughts are ‘gosh, this is likely going to make me go back to body, isn’t it?’…and then of course, I feel that transitioning to more wakefulness immediately after. I wake, finding nothing in my hands, and my recorder still carefully tucked at my side.

This was the first time I consciously took a chance of trying to do something I knew would make me go back to body. I generally try to avoid such things, but I so wanted to be able to recall more memories.

Also, in looking at the clock I see it is now 6am, only an hour after starting my MP3s. The hour-long white noise was still playing and only about 15 minutes into it. What I realized was that the timing of the voice stating, “I’m dreaming” was likely the trigger for the ‘sudden realization’ I had in the flea market! It worked! Instead of my usual ‘triggers’ to awareness (anomalies in what is usual), I must have unconsciously ‘heard’ those words which make me stop and think about my ‘state’!

I talked to my daughter later that day to see if she could validate or confirm any of the events. She had no specific recall, but what she told me was astonishing to me. She told me she ‘dreams a lot’ but never takes the times to try to remember them. I asked her if she ever becomes aware she is dreaming while within a dream, and she said, ‘Oh, all the time!’ She went on to say that there are times when she even is aware enough to ask herself, “I wonder if this is what my mom does when she tells me she is traveling in her dreams”!!!!

Wow, I was shocked…and told her that she has already learned the hardest part of learning to travel OOB, the ability to become ‘aware’ within a dream! I was a little disappointed, though, to hear her say that she had no interest at this time to pursue this ability. As she says, most times when she becomes aware, she remembers feeling like she would prefer to ‘just go back to the dream’ and enjoy it instead of keeping the control.

This was a great OBE, I feel, as I not only learned more about my daughter’s abilities, but that it also gave me another chance to ‘be with’ my beloved pet Buddy again! But I also learned another lesson…that I’ll just have to live with the loss of memories rather than try to make any more recordings while remaining conscious in the astral!! lol

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Re: Travels of a Dreamwalker - karen659

Postby rdubya » 01 Aug 2011 17:29

Awesome Karen. Hopefully she doesn't lose this ability like we all did!

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Re: Travels of a Dreamwalker - karen659

Postby Peter » 01 Aug 2011 20:44

Great post and undertand the bit about your daughter. My son a while back when I was talking about dreams said that he was in a dream and a shark was going to bit him and so " it was a dream so I just ended it"
I think we just loose that wonder as we get older and forget to play. I also like the vivid dreams and am happy to just let them run and record them as well. They are just on the verge of lucid and a lot of fun.

Anyway great post

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