The second is a absolutely rock solid intent to make it work and the contradiction to this is to relax enough to observe the process as it happens. My thought is that all we are doing is going to sleep as we do every night and if we follow this with some detached observation we will drop into a REM sleep and then be lucid.
I try for each step and then when I am solid at that stage work on the next so its a slow methodical learning process that fails a lot. It is worth it but I would say for the early stages of lucid dreaming to keep at DILD or WBTB with reality checks and you will have better success.
Peter wrote:The second is a absolutely rock solid intent to make it work and the contradiction to this is to relax enough to observe the process as it happens.
That is the heart of the matter. It usually only happens for me when the intent/will is at what feels like the limit. That "rock solid intent" you reference is more than just desiring/trying etc. It's a "make it happen" function. It takes all of this intent/will but I wonder if that's just because we are not very efficient yet.
It takes all of this intent/will but I wonder if that's just because we are not very efficient yet.
I tend to think you are correct but the intend is needed until the results of the intent become second nature. The point is where it is part of you and the grunty stuff is all done in the back ground and so the process is no longer needed, for now I think the intent is needed to drive away all connections to our waking senses and it is this detachment that allows the energy shift away from a meat body and then we put our consciousnesses into this energy body and away we go.
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What I'm focusing on now is the thought patterns that proceed HI and dream stages. They are fairly distinct and different from when I am awake. That's the first stage and transition point for me between waking and dream. Once those thoughts start, I go right into the dream stage. Trying to learn how to induce them and then go right into being lucid.
Right before the dream images start to appear, the thoughts start to become illusive and more like dreams. You can't get back what you were thinking about just a second ago. I once had a voice tell me to listen to it and what it said would put me right into a dream. The words started coming and they kind of made sense at first, but slowly turned into the kind of thoughts you have right before the dreams. Just drew me right into the dream state. That particular time I was also able to become lucid. Really wish I could remember exactly how that worked so it could be repeated. So hopefully I can learn how to create those kinds of thoughts myself.
Anyway, there are many ways to become lucid and I actually can't think of any other entry points that I have experienced and those 4 are the main ones aren't they?
And also, no matter how much I lucid dream, sometimes I have a bizarre regular-dream and after I wake up I am completely surprised that I was not lucid. IT WAS SO OBVIOUS. Then other times I am in a dream, walking and looking at my feet and suddenly and spontaneously realize I am dreaming out of no where. NO matter how it happens and which entry point occurs whether you choose it or not, the main thing is having the right frame of mind at the time and it is still a mystery to me why it can be easy one day, and elusive the next.
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rothgar wrote: Lucid, what was your motivation for switching to WILD?
I always tried to WILD, but more often than not ended up having a DILD instead. A lot of times, I have a short period where I lose awareness, but if I remember what I was doing I can DILD. But for me, just doing DILD alone is too random and depends on waking up the part of you that has fallen asleep. The part of you that is creating the dream of course will never see that it's unusual because it's seeing exactly what it made in the first place, no matter how strange we might think it is. The part that recognizes that it's dream, that says that's very strange, maybe it's a dream is difficult to activate during the dream. It works better for me with WILD because that part of you never goes to sleep in the first place.
rothgar wrote:Was it to start LD earlier in the dream? I like DILD since I avoid SP, HH and what seems like a lot of effort. I LD 2 or 3 times a week without any real effort or time expendature. But.... I join the party late and wake up too soon.
Yes, getting into the dream at the start is a big advantage to WILD. You know you are going to get the maximum time out of it and since there is never enough anyway , you need to get everything you can.
Also I've had two WILDs now where I went straight into a super completely real lucid dream after just seconds of effort. It's really my goal at this point to learn to replicate that, it is deifnitely the ultimate LD entry.
rothgar wrote: I am trying to decide if WILD would be better or just working on stabilizing and DEILD if I wake up. I wonder if people can WILD more frequently than DILD. I think so, but then either method takes real skill and right conditions I think.
It's important to do what's work best for you, but also to get the most out of it. Of course trying new things is good too.
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