taniaaust1 wrote:I know that OBEs are not lucid dreams thou it is possible to have an OBE and be lucid dreaming at the same time.
Likewise, I know
that OBEs and Lucid Dreams are relatively the same thing.
Perception and experience?
I know they're the same because I've experienced a dream, changed into a lucid dream, which then changed into an OBE/Astral Projection... all within the same experience, with no break in consciousness and not waking up between them.
It took me a little while after that experience (and I've had many others like it since then), in which I had to throw out everything I thought I knew about projections and then put together my own concepts via my own direct experiences.
My experiences have proven to me that they're all the same experience (dreams, lucid dreams, astral projections, obes, etc..) ... BUT, what differentiates them is the varying levels of conscious awareness during the experience.
I'll share one of my experiences which is like your test. This happened to me MANY years ago now. One night I had an OBE (I was working on having them at the time) and as usual was floating upwards from my bed. From up by my ceiling I noticed something had been placed on the top of my wardrobe, this got my interest as I'd put nothing there myself. So I floated over to have a close look.
Could I have done this if I was told something was there and for me to read it? I dont know. I had no preconcieved notions to upset my views as no one had said anything.. so no guesses of what someone may of written or whatever. Maybe that helped me to correctly read it?
My observation is that there is also different closenesses we can get to physical plane reality when we are OBE. Sometimes we seem to be closer to this physical reality then at other times. I think the closer one is at the time.. the more one can actually interact to the physical reality eg from having another see you astral with their physical eyes (I once saw a photo someone had took of two others this person know who could astral project.. he got them to pose and they showed up on his photo), to being able to move physical objects while in an OBE state (ive done that once too..moved a chair..physical others experienced it move, not on purpose thou..that chair had just been in the very spot I'd been trying to project too rather then being in its normal place..so hence had been in my way). The closer to the physical world I are when Im OBE, the denser that world feels to me..i dont know if its my mind causing it to seem different of due to the fact I are closer at such times eg pushing hand throu wall then hard but can be done.
My interpretation of this event is that your boyfriend was thinking about this particular item so much that you subconsciously picked up on it... hence, when you projected, you created it as such.
We're all "consciousness"... so we're all one... we're all intrinsically linked, as such, it makes sense that data from one individual consciousness would be available to another in such a way.
Anyway, there are also loads of other possibilities for the "how" and "why" this occurred. Just chalk it up as a great experience for now... and keep trying for such experiments in the future.
Remember, if this physical reality was as cut and dried as science says it is... things like the placebo effect wouldn't have to be worried about when doing studies.
Just some food for thought.