Worldenterer1 wrote: Worldenterer1 wrote:
Summerlander wrote:I think I've expired my input in this thread.
It has been an honor conversing with you and others!
I think that's a good idea SL. I think I might be hanging up my rifle soon as well!
There are people like us in the limelight who devote their lives in attempting to wake those who continue to dream and refuse to accept that it is nothing but that.
Also, "intelligence" has no bearing upon what is labeled to have "consciousness". That fly buzzing around your head during the summer months is as conscious as you are... it's not as "intelligent", but it's consciousness is enough to "create"
A fly is not as conscious as a human. A fly's brain only supports around 100,000 cells compared to 100 billion of them in humans. A cockroach will even beat a fly in brain power. But the fact of the matter is... humans are self-aware, insects are not.
Also, although consciousness and intelligence are two different things, the two of them are not orthogonal to each other. To have a certain degree of intelligence requires a certain degree of consciousness.
If consciousness was omnipresent in the universe, no distinctions between consciousness and unconsciousness would be possible. And scientists wouldn't be devising units of measure like "phi" either.
Another thing: the universe existed prior to consciousness. This is scientific fact. The building blocks of life are already known (see the SPONCH acronym). Mostly, it's carbon based. Carbon is a heavy element that did not exist in the earlier universe and life was certainly not possible. The universe could just as easily not have created life. Life occurred at random and once it started, it developed and natural selection kicked in.
Humans were never as conscious as they are now. To say that consciousness creates this universe is not only arrogant but ignorant too. Consciousness is a byproduct
of a universe that evolved into complexity. Just like a planet or star that forms in space and develops its gravity, so is consciousness developed by organisms.
If an asteroid struck the Earth and wiped us all out, the universe would still exist. This is only logical. Well, one need not go that far. A blow to the head can render anyone unconscious. Damage to the brain can seriously impair mental faculties. In fact, all mental properties are subject to expunction via damage to areas of the brain. Even a living thing can become unconscious. Where has consciousness gone then? LOL!
For those interested in sound scientific theories for consciousness, check out the work of Christof Koch and Giulio Tononi integrated information theory:"...approach is anchored in the principle that there is a minimal set of neuronal mechanisms that are jointly sufficient for a specific conscious percept—the neural correlates of consciousness (NCC). According to this definition, most neurons are not part of the NCC. For example, activity in the retina is correlated with visual consciousness, but is not sufficient to cause it. In fact, most retinal activity never makes it into awareness. In binocular rivalry, activity in early visual cortex (V1) does not predict conscious awareness, whereas activity in higher areas such as inferotemporal (IT) cortex does. Thus, Koch concludes that some neurons in IT are likely to be part of the NCC whereas neurons in the retina or V1 are not. Further, he notes that “large parts of the cerebral cortex can be destroyed without any overall loss of function after recovery” and these are thus not part of the NCC either. The cerebellum, for example, contains more neurons than the human cortex, but its loss does not impair consciousness but rather fine motor movements. On the other hand, a comparatively small bilateral lesion in a particular area of the brainstem leads to irreversible loss of consciousness, leaving the person in a vegetative state."
And there was me thinking that I had expired my input here. Now I believe I have though!