Ryan wrote: Start small and work your way up.
For example... start off visualizing a rock. Imagine it in your mind as clear as you can... get as many of your physical senses involved as you can. Spin it around, look at it from all angles... see the light reflecting off it... feel the roughness or smoothness of the rock. You've got 2 senses involved with this so far. Sight and Touch... try adding another. Smell the rock? Or perhaps, taste it? That might be strange though. LOL
Anyway, that's "starting small".
oh LMAO.. you say that's starting small. That is extremely complicated and advanced for those of us who cant visualise or imagine objects. You dont seem to understand how complex that is to imagine that.
Ryan.. Hopefully Kyle will manage that exercise but I've tired exercises just like that a lot in the past when I was working on visualisation and trying to imagine things (i tried working on my visualisation for at least 2 years.. probably a lot longer than that, probably more like 5 years as it was part of the yogi stuff I used to do and visualisation was included in it. My teacher saw visualisation as important so we had daily visualisation exercises to do). I tried to imagine a rock, a leaf, a feather and was working on those basic objects without success at all thou doing this daily.
When do that exercise I get as far as imagining the feel of heaviness in my hand from the rock Im attempting to imagine (where as if I try this exercise with a feather I get nothing at all cause a feather is light. I cant imagine what being tiggled with a feather feels like). I CAN thou imagine weighty things in hand but that is as far as I ever got when trying to imagine items in my hand. I can not imagine holding shapes in my hand. I cant imagine moving it.. and I cant (cause I cant see) imagine light coming off of it. To try to imagine a shape of the rock in my hand as I cant feel it when its just sitting there (only heavy).. that means I need to then try to imagine my other hand reaching over to touch the rock so I can get a feel for its shape... but unfortunately my ability to "imagie" (cause still some kind of image has to be going on in the brain even if one cant clearly see it) doesnt extend that far. So all Im left with is imaging my hand.. holding onto a weight of some kind.. of a form I cant have any sense of and no other way to engage in a shapeless thing and try as I may.. I cant imagine any further with it (I cant imagine the pain of dropping it on my toe or things like that.. pain I find hard to imagine without it being real).
I think this is why ROPE failed for me when I was doing OBE, thou its a feeling body thing.. I still couldnt imagine it. I worked with the technique for many months without it being successful. Thou I know many who cant visualise can imagine their body climbing a rope hence why i suggested it.
How does one get past that inablity to preceive a rock at all except in its weight??? I daily tried to imagine for a very very long time simple objects but it didnt extend my ability to imagine something any more then what it feels like to have the weight of a rock in my hand. I still couldnt get past weight. I dont know how to get the "perception" of rock there (im not talking about "seeing it" but just having a perception of it which would make it to be a rock.. perception and imagination is the same thing). How do you spin it around and see it at all angles if one cant even imagine it being turned around or even preceive the object in any way exept its weight? I cant even "see" it (imagine) a rock and distinish it from anything else heavy in my hand. I cant imagine its roughness or smoothness, I cant imagine a lump on the rock as I cant imagine running my fingers over it so cant imagine what it feels like to that degree, that imagination is too complex.. whereas imagining it heavy in hand is easiler as it isnt as complex.
How does one get past this degree of block.. Im stuck on "step 1" cause at least I can imagine a weight
haha got to be happy about the positives and what I can do) with no idea how to get to step two of getting some kind of form in my imagination thou Ive tired. I can very very occassionally imagine the smell of something but mostly my imagination consists on feel but feel in which I dont have to engage my brain much..
Ive never been able to imagine a taste not even the taste of lemons and never been able to imagine hearing something either. So its touch that Im mostly likely to be able to imagine but only at basic level as to "imagine" even touch.. one usually gets an perception of what its like.. even if one cant see it. If Im holding an actual rock in my hand and running my hands along it.. then I can imagine it.. but then that isnt really imaging as Im holding and feeling it with my real body.
Maybe if I sat there with an actual rock every day.. running my hands over it and imagining what it feels like at the same time.. I could program my brain to remember that exact rock to the point I could percieve it without that rock but then that would be more like creating a memory imprint rather then just imagining something and hence wouldnt extend to the various other things one may want to imagine.
sorry if all my frustration re imagining something (or visualisation as you are calling it) is showing in my post. But yeah that has been sooo frustrating for me and thou I know your post was for Kyle, Ive had so many people say to me.. u just start out simple (thou your simple made me laugh as everyone else who Ive heard say that.. made it much simplier thou still not successful for me. Id be happy just being able to imagine or visualise what I recognise to be a "rock" in my hand).
My suggestion of starting off simple would be..
1/ try to imagine holding a rock and its weight
2/ stroke yourself with a finger nail slowly and feel this. Do it over and over too you think you can imagine what it feels like. Then imagine that stroke happening in the same place.. in your mind. (Robert Bruces tactile imagining.. I can actually do that but maybe cause I are capable of feeling energy on my body). This exercise is simplier "to me" cause its feel and is also focus on just one point.. no real details involved.
I cause cause I CAN do the two things above.. I shouldnt say I cant imagine at all. but in truth my imagination ability is the equalivant of someone who is severely dyslexic who is trying to write and tries and tries to learn to write..
other so called simples
3/ Try to visualise a colour (I find that hard thou can visualise "light" some colours I can never imagine eg yellow)
4/ Try to visualise a 2D shape (I struggle some with simple 3 D shapes)
Kyle.. I suggest to trial Ryans exercise daily for 2 weeks and get back to us how you do with that exercise. How far can you imagine the rock? Can you imagine the weight in your hand of the rock? or not.. or imagine more then that with some practice on imagining holding an object in hand? Im curious how far your degree of imagination extends to. Rock as Ryan suggests is a good thing to try to imagine.