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Lucid nightmares?

Postby Swimr16 » 10 Mar 2013 06:04

Hey everyone. I'm new, obviously, and I had a quick question that I came up with. A few nights ago, I experienced pain for the first time in a dream. I had just started to fall asleep (sort of the same state when you can trip over something in your dream and jump up in bed) , when I dreamed someone punched me in the face. I literally, jumped back from my pillow, feeling my face. However, the pain that I had felt a moment before was gone. I was curious if anyone has ever experienced pain in a full length lucid dream?

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Re: Lucid nightmares?

Postby R99 » 10 Mar 2013 17:04

ofcoz, i think every dreamer experience pain in their dream. but for me it happened for only one time wen am 15 years old. i fall from a tree or something in a dream and made me wakeup. i felt that pain for some seconds. i actually had some problem for walking for that few seconds. wen u r in a dream it is real for ur brain but wen u wake up sometime brain have some time lag to get in the reality. it happens, completely natural. and welcome to the group.
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Re: Lucid nightmares?

Postby PrototypeTEGTA » 10 Mar 2013 17:26

In a lucid (or regular) dream, what you expect to happen, will actually happen. If you expect, or want with an intuition, to feel pain in a dream, you will probably feel pain. For what you experienced, I'm not exactly sure why that happened, but I don't think it's a lucid nightmare, because you weren't in a total dream state. At least that's what I think happened to you maybe. Anyway, the subconscious can play all kinds of weird stuff on you, so don't underestimate it.
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Re: Lucid nightmares?

Postby HAGART » 10 Mar 2013 20:45

Yea, you can feel pain in a lucid dream. I once slipped and fell on my hand in a dream and it hurt, but it goes away when you start doing something else and you don't focus on it anymore. I also tried pinching myself in a lucid dream and I didn't wake up, and just felt the pain for a little bit. But it is not very common for me to feel pain. I jumped off a building once and landing on my face, but felt nothing.
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Re: Lucid nightmares?

Postby taniaaust1 » 11 Mar 2013 01:54

Yes, its very possible to feel pain in the same way as you would in real life, in a dream where someone is fully lucid

In a lucid (or regular) dream, what you expect to happen, will actually happen.


That is so true. One can also have ones real life normal "instinctual" thoughts come into lucid dreaming which may cause one issues even if one is fully aware one is dreaming at the time.

I wont try flying any more in LDs as one time when I tried that, I threw myself in the air (from standing position..thinking "fly" and expecting to fly but I guess my waking instinct when I felt myself falling, may of been to think of hitting the ground even thou i wasnt aware I'd thought it. I found myself slamming (belly flopping) into the concrete I'd been standing on before my attempt to fly.

This REALLY REALLY HURT.. i was in agony (felt like I broke ribs) as that had happened (felt the same as if I'd done something like that in real life and not bothered to put my hands out to save my fall). That's enough to put anyone off of trying to fly in a LD, its made me paranoid due to the pain one is capable of feeling in a LD (ive since flown in a LD but did it safely sitting in a chair!! flying chair). (Fortunately the pain did soon leave but it was such a shock too).

Makes me wonder if one could die in a LD, what would I have experienced if I'd jumped off a tall building in my LD instead of trying to take off from the ground?.. (I know one can do that in a normal dream no issues but if one did it in a LD could that be dangerous??? would it be easier to give oneself a heart attack due to the waking consciousness being present???)
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Re: Lucid nightmares?

Postby R99 » 11 Mar 2013 05:51

first of all tani, dont get too overthink(new word :lol: ) in dream. its just a dream (i hate to say that) u r not going to die in ur dream, this is not MATRIX movie. (u seen it right?). if thats the point nobody is going to live for long. in ur LD y dont u try to think it wont happen. in a LD i jumped in to a canyon and landed on rock, i dont even felt anything. if u want to get pain and expect pain u will surely get wat u wish for. and u r saying tani, that U quit on flying bcoz of that pain experience, u r just silly. i thought u r an expert on this dream exploration. dont make me think i was wrong. looking forward to ur response. i wont let u scare our fellow young dreamers. i bet u can even shot in ur head with a shot gun(results-no head) in the dream and u will surely wake up unharmed. :geek:
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Re: Lucid nightmares?

Postby taniaaust1 » 11 Mar 2013 07:18

R99 wrote:first of all tani, dont get too overthink(new word :lol: ) in dream. its just a dream (i hate to say that) u r not going to die in ur dream, this is not MATRIX movie. (u seen it right?). if thats the point nobody is going to live for long. in ur LD y dont u try to think it wont happen. in a LD i jumped in to a canyon and landed on rock, i dont even felt anything. if u want to get pain and expect pain u will surely get wat u wish for. and u r saying tani, that U quit on flying bcoz of that pain experience, u r just silly. i thought u r an expert on this dream exploration. dont make me think i was wrong. looking forward to ur response. i wont let u scare our fellow young dreamers. i bet u can even shot in ur head with a shot gun(results-no head) in the dream and u will surely wake up unharmed. :geek:


I always overthink..that is why Im so smart :lol: .

Maybe everything is like the Matrix :D

I dont know why some of dont feel anything.. if I jumped in a LD and landed on a sharp rock.. I know I would feel it (unless I choose to think of the sharp rock as something else). In my LDs I tend to feel everything like I do in real life, touch and all my senses are the same (that's what makes the things feel very real and no different for me then physical reality).

Yep.. I dont try to fly due to that experience.. as I said..i had that experience not expecting to fall, I truely throught I'd fly if I threw myself in the air from the ground to do so .. but obviously there must of been some "subsconscious" (I wasnt aware of it) doubt there or something in my LD skills. Pain in a dream feels just as bad as pain in real life and not something I wish to experience. Its no different to hurting yourself doing something in real life and then avoiding doing it again due to that.

I dont care what people think of me cause Im scared to fly in LDs. (im going to change my flying chair into a flying carpet thou..as that sounds more trendy :lol:

I may scare myself to death if I jumped off a LD building and fall and then think Im going to die or hurt myself cause its the automatic kind of thought when falling towards ground (seriously.. I have a heart specialist appointment on Thursday). Not all thoughts are rational, even in real life eg some people are scared of tiny non dangerous spiders! But i guess a fear of falling is probably a natural human instinct.

R99 can you shoot yourself in the head while having a LD and tell me what happens? (what happens when one is doing something suicidal but knows its only a dream??? would the trigger just jam and the gun not work??? or would it blew half ones head off and then one be walking around in a dream with only half a head??). What happens if we try to kill ourselves in a LD??? (or does it just wake one up?).

Ive never died in any dream.. in my non lucid dreams.. if Im about to die or dying.. I just wake up. (I know people can die (not physically) in normal dreams thou but is it possible to experience "dying" in a lucid dream? or does the waking conscious mind then shift things, so one doesnt die in the LD seeing you also do know you are dreaming?)

Im no expert in dream exploration :) (I thought it was funny you said that, thanks :lol: ) .. Ive just did lucid dreaming years ago, used to be a regular lucid dreamer (before taking a long break and then getting into it a bit again)
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Re: Lucid nightmares?

Postby R99 » 11 Mar 2013 12:30

y dont u get that point, i was trying to say. u wont get wounded in physical world through out LD. like Neo do in Matrix just believe. do not link between physical world and dream world. the physics is not applicable in dream world. flying is a sense of freedom, that every dreamer need to experience to know its pleasure. u really need to read that book of Robert Wagonner. and tani that experiment of suicide by a gun is also mentioned in that book. if u die in a LD maybe u become a ghost, or reborn with another body, u get a third person view, list is long, differ by person to person, i never tried that out, but i will, and let u know.
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Re: Lucid nightmares?

Postby PrototypeTEGTA » 11 Mar 2013 14:00

taniaaust1 wrote:but obviously there must of been some "subsconscious" (I wasnt aware of it) doubt there or something in my LD skills. Pain in a dream feels just as bad as pain in real life and not something I wish to experience. Its no different to hurting yourself doing something in real life and then avoiding doing it again due to that.


Why don't you ask your subconscious about it then? Just face it with full truth, and demand an insightful answer about why do you actually get hurt. When you know the answer, try to overcome your fears by shouting "I don't want to feel pain anymore" to the dream.

taniaaust1 wrote:Im no expert in dream exploration :) (I thought it was funny you said that, thanks :lol: ) .. Ive just did lucid dreaming years ago, used to be a regular lucid dreamer (before taking a long break and then getting into it a bit again)


That is exactly like my situation. I knew about lucid dreaming in 2011, practiced it for 4 - 6 months (but didn't actually achieve any good results, unfortunately), took a long break, and now I'm back here with full intentions and hopes for the best. ;)

R99 wrote:y dont u get that point, i was trying to say. u wont get wounded in physical world through out LD. like Neo do in Matrix just believe. do not link between physical world and dream world. the physics is not applicable in dream world. flying is a sense of freedom, that every dreamer need to experience to know its pleasure. u really need to read that book of Robert Wagonner. and tani that experiment of suicide by a gun is also mentioned in that book. if u die in a LD maybe u become a ghost, or reborn with another body, u get a third person view, list is long, differ by person to person, i never tried that out, but i will, and let u know.


I totally agree with you. The list of creative, non-harmful deaths are endless. I've never thought I would say that.

Again Tani, if you still insist on not trying to fly, then you're free. Forget about it for now; there are various other experiments you can do in a lucid dream that don't involve being weightlessly airborne. After you feel experienced enough and ready to punch 'your small fear of flying' in the face, then go ahead.
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Re: Lucid nightmares?

Postby erichsa » 11 Mar 2013 21:55

Tani is a good name, it means in Afrikaans "Aunt" Tani has an answer for everything, but I take by now a lot of her advise,and told experience with a pinch of salt. I am sorry that Tani got hurt in a lucid dream,which for me is hard to understand. I have felt a lot in my dreams,but never bad pain. The nearest to pain for me could be being scared. In my opinion we should strive to help our members with positive advise, and not with our personal life. Also saying you must do that, would sound better " You could try that,it worked for me". Lets have joy and fun. :)


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