Summerlander wrote:To Ryan: that's pure conjecture buddy
Of course it is. Everyone here knows that.
Then why pass it off like it's a truism, Ryan?
and a highly improbable one too.
And that is your opinion, of which, you're free to hold.
I, however, think that there is some probability.
But it is not just an opinion that I'm holding, is it, Ryan? If you look closely, you will realise that such opinion is formed based on where the evidence points. What you say is as probable as Santa delivering presents to children. The same argument goes for God. If you are going to believe in Him, why not, say, Zeus or Apollo?
There is no reason to believe that such supernatural beings exist just like there is no reason to believe in ghosts... unless you take those scary stories you were told as a child seriously, of course. The probability-improbability factor is not as 50-50 as you think.
A child believing in Santa is more justifiable on the grounds that there was once a 4th century bishop called Nikolaos who had the reputation for secretly giving gifts - but he never lived in the North Pole with elves and he certainly did not fly around in a sleigh pulled by reindeer.
If I told you that there is a gnome living in my garden would you find this probable?
certainly nothing has been detected to exit the body either.
ACTUALLY, there has been experiments done on the dying where they put them on a very fine measuring table. What they noticed is that at the moment of death, they lost a few ounces of weight. Not conclusive by any means, but hard to ignore as well. hehe
ACTUALLY, such experiments did not show that a spirit exited the body at all, but rather, something else which was entirely natural. They were actually conclusive
, but conclusive of something else entirely and in answer to a man who made a wild claim based on biased experiments.
The story starts with doctor Duncan MacDougall, who was religious, by the way. And pay attention because this is another example of religion attempting to use science to fit their tenets by deliberately manipulating and/or misinterpreting experimental data.
MacDougall ostentated that the human soul weighs 21 grams, which is absolutely ridiculous and it is not surprising that his test has never been repeated with the same results. He was known to be very imprecise in his measurements and extremely biased. Some said he was suspect from the get-go.
We can now ascertain that the 21-gram soul notion is all hooey thanks to real science. One can see MacDougall mistaking the loss of weight due to evaporation of moisture in respiration, evaporation of sweat, the evacuation of urine etc. for that of the departure of the soul. Very unscientific and not deserving of merit.
It is not surprising then that no loss was reported for dogs as this corroborated his religious belief that animals don't have souls! Further down the trough, it was found that this doctor had failed to take into account the sudden rise in temperature at death when the blood stops being air-cooled through the lungs. It is also a known fact that in humans the sudden rise will cause sweat and moisture evaporation (hence weight loss) and why this did not register in dogs (dogs cool themselves by panting, not sweating!)
MacDougall demonstrated nothing but natural post-mortem weight loss - nothing to do with souls!!
The only credit I would give him would be for admitting that his experiments would have to be repeated many times with similar results before any conclusions were made. But the conclusions others got from mending his errors and repeating the experiments properly was something quite different. There was weight loss but they found that MacDougall had got the amounts wrong. For starters, even the scales were found to be erroneous.
There is no doubt in my mind that if MacDougall had experienced lucid dreaming he would have used that too as absolute proof that consciousness can exist outside the body and independent of it and conveniently reject the feasibility of such experience having been hallucinated.
And this is what happens when people speak before they get their facts straight. This is what happens when you don't inform yourself first. @ everyone:
I wanted to share this with everyone regarding God, by the way:"If an all-powerful and perfectly good god exists, then evil does not. There is evil in the world. Therefore, an all-powerful and perfectly good god does not exist."