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Summerlander
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Phantom Limbs

Postby Summerlander » 19 May 2013 15:57

People who have been amputated or are missing limbs from congenital disease can experience the phenomenon of phantom limbs, i.e., the sensation that a limb is present when it is, in fact, physically absent. Recent studies show that, not only the somatosensory cortex does not require visual or sensory input to represent a body structure, but that phantom limbs are disproportionate representations by our brains of what would otherwise be physically in place.

Check out the tests on 'CL' conducted by cognitive neuroscientist Matthew Longo and his team at Birkbeck, University of London:
http://bbk.ac.uk/psychology/bodylab/research.html
http://pss.sagepub.com/content/23/7/740.full.pdf+html

I was immediately reminded of how my hands looked a few times in lucid dreams and OOBEs. According to the experimental work by Longo and Patrick Haggard at the University College London, the phantom hand is wider than the real hand and has shorter fingers. Here are a few depictions of what my hands have looked like in the phase state (lucid dreaming/out-of-body experiences):

Sometimes we catch our minds in the middle of constructing the model:

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The phantom hands here are beefier than real hands and can often be more toned:

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This is a good example because it shows how large the phantom hands can be, but sometimes they lack colour and opacity:

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I have noticed, in my case, that my phantom hands tended to be bigger in my earliest lucid dreams, but now they tend to be more accurate. Has my mind evolved to automatically create a more accurate representation in the light of my conscious dreaming prowess? It seems that way. It is important to point out that the phantom limbs in lucid dreamland don't always have to be wider than real hands. We can make them shrink if we wish to do so. But the tendency for them to be bigger than the real thing certainly seemed to be there at the initial stages of my practice.

What is your case regarding phantom libs? :geek:
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Re: Phantom Limbs

Postby DeltaV » 19 May 2013 16:19

So far, I haven't noticed any differences in size between real life hands and lucid dream hands. I blame attention to detail.

Also, that last drawing gave me the idea to use transparent floating hands to interact (read: punch) with stuff. Gotta try that out!
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Re: Phantom Limbs

Postby Je-Je » 19 May 2013 20:23

Wow nice drawing. :mrgreen:
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Re: Phantom Limbs

Postby Summerlander » 20 May 2013 12:48

DeltaV, I suppose you can make them any shape and colour you like just as you can consciously should how they will interact with other dream objects.

Jeje, the last picture is one of my earliest pictures to do with the phase state (LDs/OOBEs). It's a depiction of the vision I acquired in one instance of trying to separate from my body.
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Re: Phantom Limbs

Postby DreamerMan99 » 20 May 2013 17:18

Before I fall asleep, I have a weird thing that feels like my hands are facing the opposite direction than they are in real life. Very odd.

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Re: Phantom Limbs

Postby deepakkumaar97 » 20 May 2013 18:09

Je-Je wrote:Wow nice drawing. :mrgreen:

I agree :D
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Re: Phantom Limbs

Postby Summerlander » 20 May 2013 23:24

DreamerMan99 wrote:Before I fall asleep, I have a weird thing that feels like my hands are facing the opposite direction than they are in real life. Very odd.

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Cool! :shock:

deepakkumaar97 wrote:
Je-Je wrote:Wow nice drawing. :mrgreen:

I agree :D


Thanks, guys! Inspired by lucid dreaming! What can I say! :D
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Re: Phantom Limbs

Postby taniaaust1 » 21 May 2013 01:48

Ive never noticed any different size between my LD hands and my real ones.
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Re: Phantom Limbs

Postby DreamerMan99 » 21 May 2013 03:26

You know how when your hands go numb from like sleeping weird and you cant feel them? Its like my hands have their own SP and they literally feel like there on backwards. One night I thought I was lucid dreaming because it felt like my hands were on the wrong way! lol
Btw Summerlander,
kick ass artwork!

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Re: Phantom Limbs

Postby Summerlander » 21 May 2013 13:25

Thanks, Dreamerman! 8-)
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