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najrasaam
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sharing experience and need help

Postby najrasaam » 13 Nov 2011 22:46

Heey everyone 8-) ,
I reposted the topic here since im a beginner :P

I usually dream very vivid and I remember my dreams often. The only thing was, I could not influence them so, I'm trying to lucid dream for some nights now. Some strange things happen but I can't seem to lucid dream. I guess I use the WILD method. Ok so what happens:

- During the day I do reality checks.
- I have a dream journal.
- I say to myself that I will lucid dream tonight.
- Then I put on my headphones (bineural beats ofc).
- After a while I feel my heart rate going faster.
- Then I feel dizzy at moments like I'm falling or something.
- Then I can feel my eyes spasm and move like crazy.
- Followed up by random imagery, faces, doors, eyes, creepy shit .... :P

The thing is... I sometimes see a detail very sharp... almost like seeing it for real but most of the time its just in my head. I'm never able to see a scenery and really enter the dream. I usually see weird things and than be fully awake again. So can anyone give tips how to improve my experience? Enter the dream instead of just random details? and some other general tips?

It is my second night though :) ... maybe i just need alot more practice, but I'm sure i can pull this off.
Another thing, MILD does not work for me because I sleep to deep or whatever. I have awesome dreams, sometimes very vivid and I can remember them... but as I said, I cant influence them, they just happen.

najrasaam
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Re: sharing experience and need help

Postby najrasaam » 14 Nov 2011 10:43

Dammit, tonight was the 3rd night and I had too many distractions so I could not go WILD. I fell asleep and did had a very vivid dream that I can still remember (partial ofc)... too bad I was not in that dream and made it awesome...

Any responses to my story above?
Any tips?
Any other experiences of you all?
How long does it normally take to get ur first lucid dream?

tnx all :P

Snaggle
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Re: sharing experience and need help

Postby Snaggle » 20 Nov 2011 03:55

najrasaam wrote:

- During the day I do reality checks.

You don't need to do this if you're doing a WILD, as you'll know you're dreaming.
- I have a dream journal.
- I say to myself that I will lucid dream tonight.

you don't need to tell yourself anything doing a WILD

- Then I put on my headphones (bineural beats ofc).
- After a while I feel my heart rate going faster.
- Then I feel dizzy at moments like I'm falling or something.
- Then I can feel my eyes spasm and move like crazy.

you should not be feeling your body at all. It should be relaxed unless you're in an uncomfortable position. my eyes are not moving at this stage

- Followed up by random imagery, faces, doors, eyes, creepy shit .... :P

The thing is... I sometimes see a detail very sharp... almost like seeing it for real but most of the time its just in my head. I'm never able to see a scenery and really enter the dream.

This is already light sleep [my stage three]. The more I intentionally did WILDs the more this stage changed, now right before the the images start to appear I see a scroll in my imagination with a dozen or more dreams on it and just pick one to enter. Once you're in light sleep having one of these light dreams when one can still wake up one just needs to wait for atonia to occur.


I posted this here for another, but it good for you too.

Kasi you need to first consider what the normal sleep process is. I can certainly help you with this as I'm a natural WILDer and not the only member of my family that can do them naturally either; but I had to work for a few days to learn how to do them intentional. I likely have a better understanding of WILDing as I've been able to do them all my life.

Sleep is a process with stages that are normally gone through every night; though these stages sometimes happen together or out of order.

1. Waking Consciousness-with the conscious brain on, the subconscious brain off and the body on.

2. The conscious brain switches off. This stage is skipped if you're Wilding, as a Will involves unbroken consciousness through out the sleep process.

3. Light sleep-the subconscious brain switches on and one experiences weak/ static dreams. These can be of a single static object, a slide show or some very weak as in simple dynamic dream. This sleep is so light that if one opens ones eyes or moves ones body one will wake up fully and one can still hear real sounds; but may not be able to distinguish them from dream sounds. I think this is as far as you've really gotten in the dream process with your “vibrations,high pitch noise[s],floating[s] “ just being these weak dreams. Note: it's also possible to switch on the subconscious brain when normally awake, e.g. in Kung Fu (really Wu Shu) one really does see the flow of chi when doing it at a high enough level. Also, if you were really being trained in milam (Sanskrit Svapnadarsana) one would have first been trained in Osel (Sanskrit prabhasvara) usually called in English “clear light yoga”, which is essentially a conscious waking state void of any images or thought, one would have also been train in yidam yoga in which one learns to visualize as in really see ones yidam (a yidam is normally translated as “tutelary deity” but a better translation would be patron Buddha or Bodhisattva). Put another way you're like the kid who shows up to his sifu (kung fu master) expecting to do one inch punches in a couple of days or weeks rather than after several years of training in kung fu.

4. Sleep paralysis- the body switches off. This stage is hardly experienced at all, I see a waterfall or an almost instantly growing tree when this happens. I've also been in this stage without entering any sort of dream state, with my eyes wide open, able to move and my neck move a little without ending it. What happens is that electrical pulses flow rapidly throughout any part of the body lower than the head, from the base of the brain. Simply trying to move the body ended this state. There are no hallucinations or scary feelings as in the normally talked about nightmarish sleep paralysis.

5. Deep dream sleep-the dream become dynamic and when WILDing one momentarily thinks they're real until one has an “oh Duh” moment and knows what they are. These dreams differ only from light sleep dreaming in that they're complex and very dynamic like a motion picture. Both light dreams and deep dream can be vivid, as in virtual reality or more normal dreams. While WILDING one can have almost emotionless dreams with no more emotion than when normally awake; but the emotional experiences WILDING can also be much more intense than anything you've experienced when normally awake and one might not be able to control them as one can even in intense emotional states when awake.

6. Deep nightmare sleep- it's important for you to know that deep dreams are always followed by deep nightmares and these nightmare can be both vivid and emotionally intense. I've been killed several times in vivid dreams and experience both the wounds and death agonies, I've also been tortured and tortured to death vivid nightmares. In light sleep intense emotion normally wakes one up fully; but in deep sleep it's abnormal to be woken up by them. If you do WILDing often enough you'll both be taken to heaven and hell.

7. The body switches back on, there are normally no dream images associated with this state and it's the least likely stage for you to experience.

8. Light sleep dreaming. One can wake up if one tries from this state at will or be pulled out of it by any strong emotion. If one does dream return after waking up, one will normally return to this state and more rarely will return to deep dreams/nightmares without sleep paralysis.

9. Normal waking up with the conscious mind on, the subconscious mind off and the body on.

REASONS NOT TO WILD:

1. One can skip stages and have an hallucination. One may think that one has been visited by Jesus or other supernatural being or been attacked by a preternatural or demonic being, so you might become someone like Mohamed who had a waking dream and thought he was a prophet.

2. You'll experience vivid nightmares and hellish emotions beyond anything you've experienced in normal life and if emotionally unstable or maybe even if just normal might be emotionally traumatized by what you experienced.

3. You could experience sleepwalking; though his never happened to me when I was Wilding every night for two years, it is certainly possible.

4. Something no one else has talked about, I normally sleep 4 hours and have gotten by for a few years on just two hours of sleep; but when WILDing I was sleeping 6-8 hours a day, so Wilding is less restful and restorative than normal sleep.

6. Sleep paralysis of the classic nightmarish kind. I've never experienced this; but I think the people who have are having an abnormal mixed state in which they're experiencing deep sleep nightmare and waking up mixed with sleep paralysis; but they really could be being attacked by demons. It's always a bad idea to jump from an opinion into a conclusion, staying skeptical or open minded is always the best approach.

7. False awakenings can be so vivid that one starts to take seriously that all life is an illusion.

8. If you do WILDING constantly the dreams and nightmares are often boring.
"There is only one God and his name is Death.
And there is only one thing we say to death "not today"
- Syrio Forel


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