fuzzylogic wrote:I am the most level headed guy you'd ever want to meet.
Or you like to think so.
fuzzylogic wrote:Up to about 2 years ago I "knew" life was about being born, living, dying and then fading to black. I had no evidence to the contrary.
But that is the thing though...death isn't necessarily fading to black...more like fading to nothingness. You won't see black, you won't even see...nor think, hear or feel anything. No concepts, no experience. You won't even know you are dead. There is no you. What was once "you" (all the cells working together and which made up your organism and created many illusions) is gone, detached, decaying or pulverised and gone to become something else.
fuzzylogic wrote:How can you make the statement above in the face of the many hundreds of "eye witness" accounts to the contrary? How is it valid to simply ignore these cases and make that sort of blanket statement that there is "nothing to suggest" ?
I'll tell you how...
Experience happens in the mind whether you are awake or asleep. The mind is more than capable of playing many tricks. Someone could spike my drink with psychedelic drugs and I could tell you all about how taps spoke to me when I went to the loo to wash my hands and yet I would not be able to prove it. I'd be a witness and clearly, in this case, one who saw something that didn't really happen.
I don't dismiss their experiences...I dismiss their biased interpretations. And then we have the gimmicky famous cases...
Occam's razor, my friend. As I said, there is "nothing to suggest". There is only the suggestion of indulgence in fantasy - a trait that many of us keep from childhood.
fuzzylogic wrote:A few hundred years ago many said there was, "nothing to suggest" that the Earth
Sure, sure! But that is a different case. It is also true that humanity has been clinging to spirituality and religion for many millennia and the main culprits are "visions of the night". Sleep paralysis, vivid dreams, lucid dreams, nightmares, you name it... All characterised by brain states. Who knows, maybe this time people need to realise that there is more to the brain than they think and such visions are the product of a biological supercomputer rebooting itself and not...ahem...glimpses of a spirit world.
fuzzylogic wrote:The double slit experiment shouldn't work: but it does, every time. So although we can point no scientific basis for the "strange" occurrence of quantum entanglement, there is overwhelming proof of its existence.
You see, I know you said you are not a New Ager...but this is exactly what a New Ager would do. They try to use quantum mechanics to back up their claims. All particles in our local universe are probably, to different degrees, quantum entangled and the result of this was probably the interaction of all from the Big Bang. But this doesn't mean it's paranormal forces at work. Just a mechanism that we are yet to understand. If we imagine our local universe to be like an expanded cell or even part of an atom of some sort, then it is not so strange to think that it is all connected by PHYSICAL forces that we are yet to detect. We still have to shed some light on dark matter and all that shebang.
Perhaps we don't understand it because we are part of it and human logic cannot encompass the so-called quantum logic. It may be just the way of things. It is not proof of an afterlife or the existence of an omniscient being we call "god". The quantum entanglement business is only "strange" if we think of it as strange. The double-slit seems to play upon observation and again there is nothing to it. Like gravity (something that we don't fully understand), measurement collapses one possible and viable outcome pending the circumstances. Perhaps magnetic fields from living organisms who are being observant and analytical affect the behaviour of photons and electrons...
All states have the potential to become but the relevant one manifests according to observation. Perhaps the outcome is dependent upon brain states when a measurement is being made. Like a sound sensor that flashes when you speak. No need for magic at work. Here's an interesting video which is in direct contradiction of Mr. Campbell's theoretical model:
It could also be just the measurement and the possible interference of the device and not if someone is observing or recording what is going on. There is no need for recording - it happens anyway. To state that the information is already available is pure conjecture (as Campbell does and I took part in a discussion about this quite recently in a Facebook group). My friend Claudio pointed out some of Campbell's errors by emailing him and after a brief discussion Mr. Campbell decided to ignore him:
I'm going to make a vehement statement here and you can all agree, disagree or agree to disagree. Thomas Campbell and his horde are modern New Agers. They use different terminology and are more adherent of quantum physics in order to reinforce their beliefs in rebirth, parallel universes, past lives, spiritual realms and everything paranormal in general. Beware of cunning scientists working in the shadows!