Nasa Physicist Tom Campbell on alternate realities

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Nasa Physicist Tom Campbell on alternate realities

Postby mia » 25 Aug 2013 03:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL28lY8WzVo

His theory that reality is a virtual simulation, and that many reality frames coexist : one of which is the alternate consciousness of lucid dreaming ( he is well known for describing western science as a "kind of religion with it's own restrictive dogmas and proscriptions, and beliefs. He says you need to keep a scepticism about everything including western science and it's beliefs). Yes he is a NASA physicist. His famous trilogy is My Big TOE ( TOE meaning Theory of Everything). Worth a look at his books. They were certainly interesting.
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Re: Nasa Physicist Tom Campbell on alternate realities

Postby AceOfSpades » 25 Aug 2013 04:33

In other words if his theory is correct then the multiverse may be real?

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Re: Nasa Physicist Tom Campbell on alternate realities

Postby mia » 25 Aug 2013 18:28

Yes; you could say that. He also says consciousness is independent of a physical self ( or brain) as it would have to be in a virtual simulation reality frame.
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Re: Nasa Physicist Tom Campbell on alternate realities

Postby mia » 26 Aug 2013 03:20

"Where physics, spirituality and metaphysics meet – there you find one of the foremost scientists in the world – Thomas Campbell. Working as a nuclear physicist for NASA, Campbell postulates that we do indeed live in a virtual reality, saying: “The only thing that is fundamental (real) is consciousness itself; all else is virtual- i.e., a result of an exchange of information within consciousness.”

There's a good summary for you ( quotation)
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Re: Nasa Physicist Tom Campbell on alternate realities

Postby AceOfSpades » 26 Aug 2013 07:16

So if he's right, then we as physical beings are simply for lack of a better word mechanical vessels that house said consciousness.

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Re: Nasa Physicist Tom Campbell on alternate realities

Postby mia » 26 Aug 2013 16:02

Yes. It's all semantics. You could also say: "The human body is a sacred garment" ( I believe the ballet dancer Martha Graham said that).
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Re: Nasa Physicist Tom Campbell on alternate realities

Postby deschainXIX » 27 Aug 2013 03:24

This is pretty much my exact view of the world right now.
Well said.

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Re: Nasa Physicist Tom Campbell on alternate realities

Postby AceOfSpades » 10 Sep 2013 17:58

It's both cool and sucky at the same time. If I had my way the mechanical vessel I'd be controlling with my consciousness would be a Wing Gundam Zero.

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Re: Nasa Physicist Tom Campbell on alternate realities

Postby Summerlander » 14 Sep 2013 22:49

mia:...( he is well known for describing western science as a "kind of religion with it's own restrictive dogmas and proscriptions, and beliefs. He says you need to keep a scepticism about everything including western science and it's beliefs). Yes he is a NASA physicist.


Science is not about beliefs. It is about following evidence and establishing facts. It's a methodology that develops theories and refines them according to experimentation and verification. It does not have dogmas or cling to ideas as its methodology also involves falsifiability. There is no room for conspiracies either as different teams will replicate experiments that have arrived at certain conclusions in order to verify its accuracy.

Scientists like to be precise and are very passionate about establishing facts. They also compete for Nobel prizes and recognition. None of these qualities are possessed by Campbell. The fact that he has said "Western science" is also a fallacy in itself. What other science is there. The nonsensical Vedic science as Hagelin once uttered? Science is a universal method. You may get different branches such as physics, chemistry, biology etc. (sometimes described as "sciences" rather than areas covered by science) but the principle is the same.

And just because someone specialises in a scientific field does not mean they won't lie about it to people with little knowledge of it. In the lab, the dishonest scientist may do everything right and contribute to useful technologies for major facilities (like NASA). But in their spare time they may mislead the layman and even form esoteric/New Age cults. Meanwhile, his scientific peers are laughing at him and shaking their heads - especially when he criticises the scientific method itself.

Crackpot pseudoscientist and charlatan. Me and a friend of mine came across him online (Facebook dream explorer group) a couple of years ago and we pulled him up about some inconsistencies in his Big TOE trilogy and the fact that he deliberately misled the layman about the double-slit experiment. He got defensive, said something about him possessing the "big picture" while mainstream science has the "little picture" and refused to address his errors, which, in restrospect, were not errors, but rather, deliberate lies. Cult leader tactics. Just look at his own forum and his lemmings there... :roll:

To say that consciousness produces a collapse is absolute nonsense. He conveniently misinterprets the term "observation" in scientific circles in a way that the laymen assume is has a quotidian sense. It really means measurement and a basic lesson in quantum physics will tell you that measuring something quantumly delicate will affect its state. I can use an analogy if you like: Imagine you are trying to detect a green tennis ball in a green field but its dark. You want to know what the ball looks like so you use a searchlight. The photons bounce on the ball and reach your eyes. You see that the ball appears well-lit and is bright green. But that is not what the ball looked like prior to light shining on it. The ball looked dark previously. No consciousness involved in changing its appearance. Consciousness is restricted to the perception of sentient beings. That's it.

In his book he also deliberately used quotes from well known scientists, twisted their meaning, and lied about the context in which they were used. Very dishonest. He's not worth your time and you won't learn anything from him that you don't already know via this site.

To cut a long story short, he is basically saying that because science has not managed to come up with a theory of everything yet, there is room to allow his parapsychological ideas to be potentially true. His literature does not contain a theory of everything at all, just sugar-coated and misleading statements for the layman. His argument is tantamount to the fallacious 'God of the gaps' reasoning. There are still gaps in science so lets throw unicorns, fairies and elves into the mix as they could or might fit.

He has also said recently that the placebo effect is an example of mind over matter. I invite any of you to look at this effect to really know what it's about if you are not familiar with it.
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Re: Nasa Physicist Tom Campbell on alternate realities

Postby taniaaust1 » 21 Sep 2013 04:12

Summerlander wrote:Science is not about beliefs. It is about following evidence and establishing facts. It's a methodology that develops theories and refines them according to experimentation and verification. It does not have dogmas or cling to ideas as its methodology also involves falsifiability. There is no room for conspiracies either as different teams will replicate experiments that have arrived at certain conclusions in order to verify its accuracy.

Scientists like to be precise and are very passionate about establishing facts. They also compete for Nobel prizes and recognition.


Science can be biased too and being based on beliefs as well. Examples of biased in science is the big drug companies who pay lots for studies done on their drugs and dont publish the negative findings about their drugs but rather only the positive ones.

Something I found out recently is that even research published in "some" journals, the journals arent always allowing the research to be questioned and mistakes called to it unless the ones who did the study agree.. I read a statement along that line from a scientific journal only the other day (this can leave bad science out there much much longer).

Behinds todays science lays a lot of misleading due to companies or places wanting to make money or having something to loose if their science is proven to be false. Its money which is leading this world, many arent caring if they are misleading, but its all being about profit.

Many scientists themselves are complaining about how things currently are and what others are getting away with. Science nowdays is often just about selling a belief or just an idea.
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