As he says in his article, this does not prove anything for YOU or ME, but for his own experience it's a pretty cool journey, wherever it leads him.
I'm also keen to learn more about astral projection. I don't know what it is, though I know it shares similarities with lucid dreaming, but I don't think the states of consciousness are identical by any means.
Interested to learn more....
I haven't read much about astral projection but it sounds simple enough to verify. I talked to a lucid dreamer online that went to his friend's house in his lucid dream. In his friend's house, he found a book about whales on her nightstand next to her bed. Later on they had lunch together (in normal awake reality) and he told her about the dream. Turns out she was not reading a book about whales, but there was a chapter or section in the book that used whales as some type of metaphor or short story, and she had just recently read that section.
So, that's either a confirmation, or an interesting coincidence. I mean, how many random books out there talk about whales? But anyway, stuff like this is how we can confirm these amazing experiences to ourselves, if one is interested in doing that.
Jonathan wrote:I could never understand how anyone would disbelieve in lucid dreaming. It's just the act of becoming conscious while within a dream. Many people have done this by accident. If anyone denies the existence of lucid dreaming, they ought to go ahead and deny the existence of dreams in general.
The existence of lucid dreams was denied by mainstream science, if one want to call a soft social science like psychology a science at all for decades. It was all "a trick of the mind" just like OBE
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I'm sorry guys but I don't buy into the idea of Astral Projection. Also, I've had such experiences where I visit people in their houses and there have been some pretty interesting confirmations. But, if one knows about the nature of coincidences, one realises they are nothing but exactly that. The universe is in fact one big coincidence!
Bruce especially wanted to collect verifiable data during his excursions because he wanted to cease any doubt in his own mind about the validity of his experiences, so during this time he kept a detailed journal and, independently, so did the other person.
After most of these experiences he would contact the other person and they would compare notes. There are many, many examples where their detailed accounts of the activities, including names and physical descriptions of people and places are precisely the same.
There are several other examples where he discovers physical world information that is otherwise unknown to him.
If you read these accounts, I think most would find that except for only the most ardent skeptic, one would have a very hard time judging these experiences as coincidence.
I sympathise with those would would like 100% verifiable proof, but when dealing with this sort of thing you will never get a video of the event. And even if you did, it could have been faked. Corroborating stories and discovering unknowable facts is as good as it's going to get I think.
If person A points a gun at person B and pulls the trigger and a minute later person B is found dead with a gunshot wound. Perhaps A didn't do it. It is just a coincidence. After-all, can you prove that person A didn't miss, and perhaps some unknown person C actually did the deed? Improbable but possible. But how many of these improbable events need to stack up one after the other until the body of evidence is beyond way coincidence?
From there everyone needs to make their own judgement.
My point here is simply to let the forum readers know there are definitely a multitude of published AP accounts which for many people are way beyond coincidence.
At first, I didn't really believe in lucid dreams and was skeptical that lucid dreams could be "real" (whatever the heck that means). I even told characters in dreams that I was 100% certain I was not dreaming even after they told me I was! I told them I wasn't and that I could certainly tell the difference.
You could tell someone in waking life about how real a lucid dream is until your blue in the face, but only when they experience it themselves will they really know what you're talking about.
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