Violence in lucid dreaming

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Kirito
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Re: Violence in lucid dreaming

Postby Kirito » 22 Mar 2014 02:51

Interesting topic. :)

I am pretty violent in lucidndreams, but normally violence for a purpose is what I do. Not violence for fun, unless it is anime style. But we all know that anime style doesn't kill people, you just turn them to your side. :P

In Sword Art Online Kirito said something to the effect of
"It is more important not to do evil in here because it is all just in our heads, and it may not effect the people around us, but it effects us." Definitely not even close to perfect on the quote. But the idea is there.

If you go around chopping off heads and killing younglings (he said that you killed younglings!) that has to have some psychological repercussions. This would be similar to the person that sits around all day and thinks about shooting up a school.

Now I am not saying that all killing of DCs is wrong. I kill DCs a lot actually. :P I make a quest and the DC in my way is a "bad guy" or an orc or a Sith. I can't see anything wrong with wanting to kill one of these types of people. One time my "dad" in dream told me to do something that would show how much I knew that it was a dream and that it was all in my head. He teleported me away and I jumped a DC and he didn't fight. He just smiled at me as I snapped his neck. Honestly, a horrible experience. :P I see nothing wrong with this though, because I an not trying to live out my fantasy of killing people, I am trying to understand the truth, there is no DC. I would recommend things like this for better dream control. Things that you could do in waking life, but you don't. Take off your clothes in public, jump in front of a car, kill a DC, have sex in public (you are probably gonna have sex with a DC anyways ;)), anything that you can think of along those lines.

Raping DCs. I have never felt the need to rape DCs, mostly because every DC girl jumps me and tries to have sex with me as soon as I realize I am dreaming. The exceptions are the ones that I like to have on adventures. Get a real fake relationship going. Haha. I think that fantasizing about doing things like this could lead to acting it out. Most rapists do say "it began with porn, and then it just kept getting to worse and worse porn." It is the rule of diminishing returns, you never will be satisfied with what you have (appetite wise food, drink, sex) you will always want more, so be careful with that you are wanting, it could cause you troubles.

So in conclusion, it isn't what you are doing, it is why you are doing it.

Dreamometer
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Re: Violence in lucid dreaming

Postby Dreamometer » 22 Mar 2014 05:25

I believe it's all about the way you look at it. I had a LD, my longest one I think, in my LD I throw candles at my mom :P (why candles?bad lucidity probably) just because I was telling myself and I was believing "it's not a candle and it's not my mom", it didn't made me feel bad, and she didn't got angry at me when I told her about it when I woke up :). In the other hand, if you will believe it is your subconscious, and you will hurt it (if it a DC or object or whatever) it might have some kind of effect, probably nothing noticeable, but it's only my opinion.

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Re: Violence in lucid dreaming

Postby taniaaust1 » 22 Mar 2014 17:48

Kirito wrote: Raping DCs. I have never felt the need to rape DCs, mostly because every DC girl jumps me and tries to have sex with me as soon as I realize I am dreaming.


Oh I wish your DCs come come and teach mine to be that eager to have sex with me, Im really missing out as my DCs dont jump me as you put it :lol:
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Kirito
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Re: Violence in lucid dreaming

Postby Kirito » 22 Mar 2014 20:51

taniaaust1 wrote:
Kirito wrote: Raping DCs. I have never felt the need to rape DCs, mostly because every DC girl jumps me and tries to have sex with me as soon as I realize I am dreaming.


Oh I wish your DCs come come and teach mine to be that eager to have sex with me, Im really missing out as my DCs dont jump me as you put it :lol:


It can get quite annoying. I feel like they do it because in my mind, hot girls can be attracted to me, so it isnt a stretch that they would want me as soon as i become lucid.

Self confidence. :P or pride.

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Re: Violence in lucid dreaming

Postby TillyPink » 23 Mar 2014 00:15

I think Haggart is right, we probably 'invent' a DC nanoseconds before they materialize, like the rest of the dreamscape, and yes they are a manifestation of and connected to the rest of the dream scape. But that also does keep me going back to my first post...does causing violence in LD's manifest more nightmareish scenarios and characters thus builds in a cycle of 'inner dream violence' for the future...and if all this takes place in the mind, the unconscious, how does that affect our unconscious feelings while awake...I wouldn't be so concerned with it spreading into actualization of violence in real life...i think this trait will always find a way out through some channel in life if it persists within the individual as a psychosis...a dream or otherwise...but how does it affect our feelings about ourselves? The unconscious part of our selves makes up most of our being...the waking thinking mind is only a tiny part of the equation.

Hey I have a good example of my dream thoughts on this 2 nights ago in a little (harrowing) spontaneous lucid i had. It was a long dream, lasted an hour aprox. But there were these 2 psycho woman and they had this young guy tied uo and they planned to torture him. It was like i landed in a snuff movie. I tried with all my might to trick the woman so I could save him. I didn't want it to turn into a nightmare where i was having to fight them as they were dead scary, I knew that would wake me up so I played my role careful and i wanted to explore the territory. On leaving this house i flew past these guards on the door and as I did the older psycho woman grabbed my arm to try to stop me and I took off with her hanging on to me. We flew over these rooftops and she was terrified. I knew she was just a DC but I did not drop her...i could not. As i had this thought i integrated her. It proved to me exactly where my DC's spawn from, my inner self. She came from me and I put her back where she came from. I transformed my hideous dreamscape scenario by doing so. I just can't help but think that was good for me in some way.

Interestingly in one part of the dream, like i said it was long, I flew to a gathering outside a pub. I was just generally showing off to DC's my 'skills'....now why do I show off to DC's? It makes me feel good about myself! If i killed the all...well...I'd feel bad about myself. But hey that's me. I was completely taken by surprise by this one DC that just held my eye. A young guy (link) who introduced himself as another dreamer. We flew together to the treetops and had some laughs...i was like so embarrassed as he was so much better at his 'tricks'...can't help but wonder...was he another dreamer? I mean, if it really is possible to dreamshare...doesn't that just shed some light on sharing consciousness and what questions does that raise?

But PLEASE don't anyone think I'm being self righteous though. I think the intention behind your actions is the most important thing...if you casually spawn DC's to blow up in a vid game type scenario or just to use them for experimentation...I mean you guys know how you feel so if you feel fine I'm sure it is.

Yeh, women and men, conditioning and probably testosterone too! You know, have fun as that's what it should be about too! My self esteem is pretty low when it comes to men and dating etc so most guys in dreams turn me down! I'd have no idea how to jump a guy in a LD...that's maybe cos i'm female! So I just use it to explore why I might feel that way about myself and try to take the learning experience of the dream into waking life.

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Re: Violence in lucid dreaming

Postby TillyPink » 23 Mar 2014 00:32

Kirito wrote:Interesting topic. :)

In Sword Art Online Kirito said something to the effect of
"It is more important not to do evil in here because it is all just in our heads, and it may not effect the people around us, but it effects us." Definitely not even close to perfect on the quote. But the idea is there."

I do think I agree with this.


So in conclusion, it isn't what you are doing, it is why you are doing it.


And i defo agree with this.


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