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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby MAKER » 12 Mar 2014 04:49

Hagart, I've actually watched videos/read up on sacred geometry, which is also interesting, so I'll check out the video you mentioned. I don't know if you have heard of it, but it is definitely a really good watch if you happen to be sick in bed or bored during a slow weekend: Spirit Science (YouTube). It even has an episode on sacred geometry.
I actually haven't read too much into BitCoin, but have heard about it...guess I should do some research. I heard recently (not by any official source) that the reserve currency is going to start being backed by gold and silver starting March 15th, but again, don't know how true that is...couldn't find anything official on it. I agree totally that once fiat money is done away with that society will restructure, which will probably happen because capitalistic consumerism isn't sustainable (at least in the way it's being used now). I hope soon, and I'm with you on being ideologically optimistic to its outcome.

All of this conspiracy stuff is really interesting, but also dwells in the realm of conjecture mixed with subjective and sometimes objective truths.

btifuldreamer, I just watched a vid explaining project CLEMENTINE (Golden Dragon) since you offered the info. All this Moon/alien stuff really makes me wonder if we (NASA/world Govts) went to the Moon legitimately just for "rock samples." Like Hagart said, follow the money...and a ton of money has been dumped into the exploration of our proximate space (but for what return?). I know it's mathematically highly improbable for there to NOT be intelligent life in this universe, but whether or not we are being visited is another matter. Some evidence could lead to the presumption that we have been visited in the past, or that there was once a highly intelligent civilization dating back thousands of years earlier than what archeology tells us. Have you ever heard of Graham Hancock's book "Fingerprints of The Gods?" He offers a theory about an advanced civilization living here long ago, and offers some evidence of what may have happened for them to either leave or for a cataclysmic event to take place and send them (us) into a type of dark age. Anyway, could be that the technology on the Moon/Mars (if there indeed is any, I'm a huge proponent of "I don't know") is Mankind's lost technology from eons ago.

I look forward to any change that will take place in our time here on this planet. Social change is slow, but inevitable...and with all the suffering in the world despite the technological advances, it's greatly needed in my opinion. It's no longer acceptable for people to be homeless, hungry, unclothed, or unhealthy when the means and then some is available.

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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby HAGART » 13 Mar 2014 21:09

MAKER wrote:Hagart, I've actually watched videos/read up on sacred geometry, which is also interesting, so I'll check out the video you mentioned. I don't know if you have heard of it, but it is definitely a really good watch if you happen to be sick in bed or bored during a slow weekend: Spirit Science (YouTube). It even has an episode on sacred geometry.


I just realized, your avatar picture uses sacred geometry. I guess you WOULD know a thing or two about it. I have seen Spirit Science on You Tube and it was entertaining. But I then also looked up a lot of the claims to verify it, and most is not scientifically proven. Such as monkeys living on different islands somehow sharing knowledge, and the Japanese scientist who altered the crystal structure of frozen water by projecting emotions into it. It's intriguing, but apparently they couldn't be replicated and there were too many other variables involved.

MAKER wrote:I look forward to any change that will take place in our time here on this planet. Social change is slow, but inevitable...and with all the suffering in the world despite the technological advances, it's greatly needed in my opinion. It's no longer acceptable for people to be homeless, hungry, unclothed, or unhealthy when the means and then some is available.


I agree. Us INFP personalities are also nicknamed, 'The Idealist' for a reason.
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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby MAKER » 14 Mar 2014 07:40

HAGART wrote:I just realized, your avatar picture uses sacred geometry. I guess you WOULD know a thing or two about it. I have seen Spirit Science on You Tube and it was entertaining. But I then also looked up a lot of the claims to verify it, and most is not scientifically proven. Such as monkeys living on different islands somehow sharing knowledge, and the Japanese scientist who altered the crystal structure of frozen water by projecting emotions into it. It's intriguing, but apparently they couldn't be replicated and there were too many other variables involved.


Yea, it definitely makes huge leaps of conjecture, but with the animation and topics, it makes for good entertainment. I also looked up the 100th monkey, as I had heard it twice elsewhere, but no substantial evidence came forth from my search. The alternate history of humanity offered in one of the episodes was super fun to watch, and I actually ended up reading the "emerald tablets of Thoth," although the existence of these are highly questionable (not to mention the theories that are offered up as true.)

It's true, I am an idealist at heart :ugeek: , but it can be disheartening with almost all evidence contradicting such a perception.

Here's a question offered to you, btifuldreamer, and everyone else who might feel like answering...
Do you believe a social shift (globally) is underway/going to happen, whether it be small, medium, or large? If so, what beliefs do you have for it's timeline? Will it be bad/good/neutral?

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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby btifuldreamer » 14 Mar 2014 13:28

Very interesting :geek: I've never heard of 'spirit science'. Guess i can research that next :D
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Here's a question offered to you, btifuldreamer, and everyone else who might feel like answering...
Do you believe a social shift (globally) is underway/going to happen, whether it be small, medium, or large? If so, what beliefs do you have for it's timeline? Will it be bad/good/neutral?

Hmm... By "Social shift', do you mean like, a change in the future? If so, I think that something big is going to happen within my lifetime because the way we humans live is starting to have an impact on earth now more than ever. I think when and if it happens it will cause all sorts of arguments/wars/disagreements and cause all sorts of commotion, but i think it will be for the greater good. Only time will tell :roll:

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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby taniaaust1 » 22 Mar 2014 20:49

I'll tell you something which I suppose will not be found in any books as its based on my own experience with this and what I was personally told and shown

Many years ago now, I and 3 or 4 others who I knew at that time (healer/psychic online friends of mine, we were at a psychic/healing site) unintentionally gained the interest of one of the illuminati recruitment people who were unknown to me lurking.. watching a convo between us which had really interested the recruitment person. (We had gained this persons/lurkers attention due to we were at the time sharing with each other one of our past lives in a certain place and our connection to another thing way back, talking about some symbols from that other lifetime, which turned out holds connection to them.. unknown to us at the time).

They are currently trying to boost their numbers as there is a battle going on between the two opposing sides of the illuminati (there is a good side of it and there is a bad side.. the bad side of it is into greed and world domination). Part of their boosting of their numbers is to recruit people who have been part of illuminati before and welcome them back into their fold, this isnt just about NWO but an also an occultic group one could say certainly in the more inner circles of it. They do not go back to 1776 but way way way back before this!! Further in history then most here would be prepared to accept.. the illuminati goes back to at least Atlantis.

Me and these others who were approached (note individually privately, we didnt find out till days later that each of us was approached.. as we each had been told to tell no one else about the contact.. we were given another name for the group at first and werent told right away it was the illuminati), got offers of all kinds of things to try to get us within this group, things ended up going to bribes when my friends and me either refused the offer to think about joining them outright or showed our wariness. eg I got offered the opportunity to live whereever I wanted in the world if I joined them, offered to "maybe" meet one of the aliens (I cant remember now what word he used for them, it may not have been aliens but that is what were being refered too) they had working with them at some point (they guy didnt say he could definately arrange that..but that was a maybe thing which was offered to me), I got told that I'd have access to some technology that others dont have and I'd would be given access to this almost immediately did if I joined. He also tried to use fear a little to get to me to join as well.. as he tried to tell me that if I joined them I would be protected from the group of the other side (of the illuminati) who he tried to make it sound I was at risk if I didnt join them and put myself under their protection. He told me that I was in danger from the others if I didnt join.

Anyway.. me with my curious mind I played the guy a little bit for a while.. it really was an interesting offer and I truely didnt know what to make of all this. The guy seemed actually genuine but the situation was soo strange to me that I found what was going on hard to accept and believe that some secret group wanted to recruit me... so I decided to play it up for a short time just to see what happened.

So when I said I was interested in knowing more and would consider it. I then got given the address to a website (website did use the term illuminati in their info and made it clear who they were thou I think the guy may of told me who they actually were just before that but not at first) and was told this website would only be there for a short time. He said they move it around. The website was for those who had had an offer made to them to join and were considering it. So I went to the website on the password he'd given me and checked it out. It had a small chat room (I never saw anyone in chat) and showed how many were online at the time under whatever nic they were going under.. I only saw about 4-5 others there at a time when I was (cant remember now exactly how many but it wasnt many.. by this point my friends had declined his offer so they never got to see this site).

During the short period I had access to this site... the guy was available to answer my questions by email or messager under the condition I wasnt allowed to share with others what I was told (I'd refused to give him my phone number when asked so I never had phone contact). I spent many hours for a couple of weeks asking this guy a ton of questions about the group. When I asked about history, he gave me access to a file on its history and some about their involvement of certain individual events in history and how they helped change history (which was a crazily huge about 55-62 pages long. I wasnt supposed to copy this but I did, I printed the whole lot. So much info it could of been a book but it wasnt written in like novel form at all.. it listed dates, events and then told you about it and how they helped the outcome of each event).. I was overwhelmed with all the info and was concerned this given file to me may just vanish from my computer if they suspected I was playing them for info but not reallly going to join (I did thou actually consider for a short time but then decided I do not wish to be caught up in warring sides of anything! as Im not into duality stuff. It just didnt feel right for me to join).

Ive got no idea thou now as this was so long back, what I've done with that history info and actually now cant remember anything I read in it except that that their group were in Atlantis and has continued on throu out history. Even if I still had the history (if by chance I found it again but I do think its long lost), I wouldnt hand it out to others anyway.. just in case I found myself in trouble for doing so, guess Im a little scared that they could some how find out and there could be reprecussions for me.

Which leads me to what further happened. After leading the guy on for a couple of weeks saying I may join (just to try to get as much info as I could from him on illuminati.. he wouldnt share everything but he did answer most of my questions) .. after hanging around their website looking for info for a time, that didnt have a lot of info..most of my info I got from the recruitment officer himself.. (this whole thing really started creeping me out as I had a friend who's always been interested in the illuminati and he thought this guy I was telling him about was on the bad side of it thou the guy was telling me he was on the good side and it was the other side which was negative) anyway, I told him I wasnt interested in the offer to join any more. So he cut contact all contact with me.

A bit after this.. I was majorly psychicallly attacked to the point it almost killed me. My life was only saved when my daughter managed to find online a couple of quite powerful energyworkers to drag energy from me (my psychic healing friends werent online when I was attacked so I couldnt seek help there) and stop the attack..so I had two I'd never met come to my aid when my daughter told them what was going on. (I hadnt let her ring ambulance for me as that wasnt going to help much for a psychic attack thou I was struggling to breath, collapsed with body convulsing on floor and getting worst by the minute.. in pain cause the energy was far too strong and I was able to project it out from me fast enough to get rid of it).

These others who saved me, told me they've traced the energy link and told me it was some group from the other side of Australia (Sydney?) who did the attack on me (they sent a strong psychic attck back before I was aware what was going on.. my love and peace beliefs at that time would of never allowed another to be hurt even if I was being hurt..anyway..they did that and told me they'd made sure my attackers wouldnt go attacking me again). I cant say for sure that was an attack from some involved in the illuminati but it may of been.. I do not know why a group would attack me and this happened at a time not long after I'd declined that guys offer (maybe only a couple of weeks later). Anyway who knows.

Actually the fact that this guy had when he tried to get me to join had told me that joining them would help protect me from the other side (something I'd found funny at the time)..just further makes me think it was probably his group themselves who attacked me cause I didnt join.. or a ploy to make me want to join them in the future if I believed his story that I was in danger from other side of group. (unless they saw the future with me being attacked but I truely doubt that!!)

Some time later.. I forget now how long.. 2-3 years later.. I actually got postal mail come to me from them, once again trying to get me to join, then that happened again about a year after that. I ignored the mail both times. How on earth did they know my name and postal address. I NEVER gave that guy my real name nor address.. he only had my nic of that time sea-dove. The mail came to me in Australia.. from an address in America and openly said they were illuminati. (I was a bit scared at that point by this, I was freaked out by this occurrance for a good couple of months).

If all this stuff was some kind of prank being played on people, it's a hell of prank.. setting up website temporary and every thing else eg all the history stuff, I wasnt told I'd have to pay money or anything if I joined.. just told I'd be well looked after (I got told they'd arrange a job for me). i have to believe it's true as it was all so much (someone playing a prank shouldnt have been able to find my name and address and the fact this continued on years later. I can only assume that this guy brought me (even thou he didnt know who I was) to the attention of others in their org in America (I couldnt remember where that guy said he was) who then attempted again to recruit. The letter I got .. pages long (4? 5? pages) was very professionally done. not like me and the guys online communications. (Maybe their recruitment officers can find out our details and then maybe somewhere is, their main office or whatever, keep a list of failed recruitments? which they try to contact at a later date?.. My situation seems to imply this).

Anyway.. within the illuminati they have specialised groups.. and a psychic group is one of the specilalised group and the one they were interested in me for. oh that was another of the guys bribes put to me.. he offered me training in psychic stuff with good teachers. (Well that attack on me backfired.. one of the two guys, strangers who saved my life.. I ended up asking him to become my psy teacher and it was for about 2 years and in that time he showed me many things..thou I never mastered them but I did get to experience them throu him when he was helping me).
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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby Snaggle » 23 Mar 2014 21:13

Here's a question offered to you, btifuldreamer, and everyone else who might feel like answering...
Do you believe a social shift (globally) is underway/going to happen, whether it be small, medium, or large? If so, what beliefs do you have for it's timeline? Will it be bad/good/neutral?


Yes and very large. 75% chance per year until it happens. Beyond horrible. The dollar bubble bursts. Immediate effect the global depression we're in becomes much worse, the dollar drops greatly in value and is dumped globally, with all the over printed dollars coming back to America and causing 40-60% a year inflation, likely for several years. When this happens all fiat currencies will drop in value (as none of them, not even the Swiss franc is sound). When this happens gold and silver will shoot up greatly in value relative to any fiat currency. Their will be starvation in America on a massive scale (likely tens of millions). The influx of dollars will make bonds essentially worthless. The American economy based solely on taxing the world by printing and exporting dollars will gollapse and much worse then it did in the great depression, the crash of the economy will cause the crash of the stock market and stocks too will be almost worthless and difficult to sell. Paradoxically the hyperinflation will be combined with deflation in stocks. The returning dollars will be used by foreigners to buy up the real assets of America: farmland; aqua fers; mines; timberland; oil and mineral rights. Oil fracking will be introduced as an emergency measure to gain foreign exchange and will destroy much of the fresh water resources of America, further reducing the population America can support, this will in turn lead to panic selling of farmland and the buying of it for pennies on the dollar by insiders (such as Global Bankers and Global corporations). High end collectibles will hold much of their value as they'll be bought up and taken.

Real estate, whether residential or commercial will crash in value and likely be unsellable, States and cities will raise taxes in a desperate attempt to stay funded. Home ownership will not be seen as a sound investment, but as a curse - just as it is in Greece right now. These high taxes in a collapsed economy will force the sale of collectibles and gold and silver by Americans. Pensions will be stolen by the Federal government and Social Security will also go bust as it will not be able to make payments large enough to survive on.

All the Fema camps set up for the crisis will be activated and used as the slave labor camps they are designed to be, with those poor people who have not starved to death being rounded up to serve in them and likely even eager to be slaves rather starve.

America will be forced to shut down almost all of it's foreign military bases and become both poorer and more powerless then she has ever been. Obama is already trying hard to start World War III as a distraction and something to blame the crashed economy on. At home their will be huge protests and riots. The Federal government will use the crisis to do door to door confiscations of: guns; ammunition; foodstuffs and valuables. There will likely be food rationing for most people.

The economies of emerging markets with America and the European Union no longer as markets will crash. Brazil; China and India will be especially hard hit. China will have to convert to internal consumption of their production, ruining their balance of trade. Germany will suffer the same fate.

This crisis will be used used to gradually bring in World Government under the United Nations and a new Global currency with new taxes which will further crush the economies: of America; the EU and Britain. The super rich will be buying up everything for pennies on the dollar and there will be a global return to mercantilism with privatization of public assets and state sanctions monopolies normal. The middle class will be crushed Globally, leaving only multi-billionaires and the destitute whom will be de facto slaves. This is actually the silver lining.

The fact that the Global Elite will be both known to be behind the collapse and exploiting it will make them immensely hated. Will the enslavement of the people lead to their overthrow globally and likely a new Jacobin style reign of terror to destroy them or will they control the military long enough to bring in robot soldiers and police as they hope and get rid of the "useless eaters", culling them down to at most 20% of the existing population and likely as low as 10% or even 5%. Popular government will completely disappear.
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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby Summerlander » 24 Mar 2014 01:18

The scenario you propose seems very unrealistic. Another Great Depression could be on the way but I don't think a president would want to be remembered for starting WWIII, especially not Obama - he takes too much pride in appearances.

The one who is more likely to start a war, a cold one first, is the tyrannically ambitious Vladimir Putin who would love to reconstitute the old Soviet empire and insidiously expand. Obama is too clever to know that a world war means further bankruptcy later as the world tends to value metals such as gold and silver, which, by the way, still have superstitious beliefs attached to them! Never mind the rarer earth elements that can be more productive to our species...

Your economy crisis scenario is plausible to a certain extent. But you point the finger at the wrong side and your conjecture is laced with casuistry that lives in the realm of conspiracy theory. I would also add that the Reign of Terror conditions were quite different - different zeitgeist too. The world is "smaller," people are slightly more enlightened and better informed, and, for that, we can come up with contingency plans which are vastly more efficient on a global scale. But we certainly would do well in weeding out unreason.
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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby Summerlander » 24 Mar 2014 02:01

Ah, another thing I'd like to mention...

9/11 was NOT an inside job, but it is possible that it was allowed to happen as an excuse to invade and attack the enemy. It is funny that people are quick to point the finger at the world-power nation we expect to behave, even when it suffers an attack of such magnitude.

But nobody has addressed Islamic extremism, the psychotic Saddam Hussein who needed to be removed, or the pious men sent by Bin Laden who needed nothing but the Koran to be brainwashed, subjugated, and execute their act of martyrdom. Whether unprovoked or not, jihad still lives in the hearts of many Muslim men, and even if the US government didn't have its own interests, we'd still be at war with Islamists simply because of what they believe.

Trust me, the US is the lesser of two evils and the side which is more likely to fight for the preservation of civilisation in the long run. Fuck the Illuminati and everything else. There is no such group pulling the strings. And the moon is a failed planet, not a spaceship, by the way!

When the Arab world finds a way to nuke the infidel-infested West in a way to fulfil its eschatological prophecies of doom and judgement, threatening life and everything that we hold dear, which side are you going to be on? B-)

When push comes to shove, we want to stick together against unreasonable and deluded people who threaten morality with their flawed ideologies and corrupt civilisation in the name of an imagined sanctity.

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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby MAKER » 24 Mar 2014 21:21

taniaaust1 wrote:I'll tell you something which I suppose will not be found in any books as its based on my own experience with this and what I was personally told and shown


Wow, that was an interesting read! I wonder what would have happened if you had joined on with their group. Do you think it was an actual Illuminati organization? Where you talked about being psychically attacked, and then received help from others really reminded me of Carlos Castenada's book "The Art of Dreaming," where Carlos gets stuck in the inorganic beings' realm. Can only imagine the experience, and very interesting, thank you for sharing!

btifuldreamer wrote:Hmm... By "Social shift', do you mean like, a change in the future? If so, I think that something big is going to happen within my lifetime because the way we humans live is starting to have an impact on earth now more than ever. I think when and if it happens it will cause all sorts of arguments/wars/disagreements and cause all sorts of commotion, but i think it will be for the greater good. Only time will tell :roll:


I did mean something like a change in the future. And I really agree with you thinking something will happen in our lifetime. I stay optimistic about humanity, though, because as a collective, we can decide our outcome.

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Yes and very large. 75% chance per year until it happens. Beyond horrible. The dollar bubble bursts. Immediate effect the global depression we're in becomes much worse, the dollar drops greatly in value and is dumped globally, with all the over printed dollars coming back to America and causing 40-60% a year inflation, likely for several years.


As far as predictions go, I think you are close to the mark for the next huge catastrophe of humanity. As Summerlander has pointed out, it is borderline conspiracy theory, but there are a lot of events that hint toward this outcome. I don't think that the US will be the holder of the Reserve Currency for much longer, and if the dollar bursts, it won't just be the US in economic trouble. Not to mention that the global economy isn't in that great of shape already.

As a result of the possible coming economic malady, there could quite possibly be a WW3. With the US already in 74 wars that it admits to, it kind of already seems that WW3 has been ongoing for decades, but not called as such.

Good, bad, or ugly, I'm in the school of thought that humanity NEEDS a global shift in our thinking. We could talk about possible outcomes of people starving to the point where they willingly relinquish freedom for food, but the fact of the matter is that people all around the world at this very moment are starving, living in war torn areas, and/or are facing brutal governments; not to mention the shocking amount of slavery still present in the world.
With all the technology, agricultural achievements, and breakthroughs in knowledge as a whole, there is no reason for some to be suffering, while others are in a rapid state of waste...none. I don't think that one day we will all wake up "enlightened," but I do stay optimistic about humanity's power to change the outcome of our future.
I'm not a Marxist, but I do feel that capitalistic consumerism will fall, and something else will rise in it's place. Once the value of sentient beings is finally placed over the value of profit, materialism, selfish motives, etc. then we will know the taste of utopia (or at least something that doesn't leave a majority of the population in destitute conditions of suffering.)

Summerlander wrote:Ah, another thing I'd like to mention...
9/11 was NOT an inside job, but it is possible that it was allowed to happen as an excuse to invade and attack the enemy.


Summerlander, I've read quite a few of your posts and have pegged you as a very logical person, as well as an abstract thinker (different philosophy discussions), so may I ask how you "know" 9/11 was NOT an inside job? I understand the whole situation is shrouded in a ton of misinformation, but many point out there isn't conclusive evidence one way or the other. I'm not saying it WAS an inside job, but am very curious to how you know it was NOT. I'd like to share the same knowledge.
Regardless of it was or not, it is a definite possibility it was aloud to happen for pretenses to invade a few weaker countries that have plenty of resources that we westerners love to use...which is nothing historically new to humanity.

Summerlander wrote:And the moon is a failed planet, not a spaceship, by the way!

Do you have to rain on every conspiracy parade? :lol: I don't think the Reptilian agenda pusher David Icke would agree with you! :lol:

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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby HAGART » 25 Mar 2014 02:29

9/11, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbour....
They're all false flag operations designed to incite the sleeping public to be on board and wage war.

I doubt the Illuminati are involved, but as time goes by and more declassified information is revealed, it is apparent that they were at least ALLOWED to happen, and the gathered intelligence that could have prevented them was ignored. Why?

FOLLOW THE MONEY!

Being called a Conspiracy Theorist should not be a derogatory name. And I shouldn't be lumped into a group with ALL conspiracy theories out there. I simply value rational thinking over passively believing what "professional liars" tell me.... (Politicians!) :x :evil:
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