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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby MAKER » 26 Mar 2014 23:33

taniaaust1 wrote:What do you all think missing malaysian plane Flight 370?


Has anyone ever seen the show LOST? :D

Wouldn't surprise me if the evil Illuminati were based outta Washington D.C. or something :) .

Summerlander wrote:Religion is a bad ideology that people would do well in giving up as it can make many good people behave badly.


I see your point. Ideologies can corrupt those who are surrounded by it in all institutions (fam, church, school, etc.). Human nature swings both ways, just depends what we want to follow based on what options we have around us I suppose.

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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby taniaaust1 » 28 Mar 2014 01:22

MAKER wrote:Has anyone ever seen the show LOST? :D



I watched a season of LOST and some further episodes... strange show... I can say I was lost watching it. I wonder anyone made sense of it.
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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby Summerlander » 28 Mar 2014 03:07

America is certainly not the most aggressive. Nobody mentions the aid it provides to the Arab world. Nobody mentions that it helps those war-ravaged countries to recuperate and built new governments. Nobody mentions how happy many of their indigents are that Americans have "invaded" their lands to face oppressive, corrupt, and terrifying regimes such as that of Saddam Hussein. The insoucience they experience when America helps doesn't last when the mullahs begin to influence the crowd. America is the real enemy simply because they are "kafirs." Some wars must be fought just so you can sleep at night. America is prepared to do that.

Can you really tell me that you'd rather move to fanatical Afghanistan? Or Iran where "spiritual" leaders like khomeini can issue fatwahs of death? Or North Korea with its Stalinist-like regime, where there is a curfew that causes it to be in complete darkness, a contrast with South Korea which can be seen from space. Or Russia where imperialist Putin insidiously invades and expands, where gays are oppressed by law...

America is not Babylon...

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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby taniaaust1 » 30 Mar 2014 11:39

Summerlander wrote:America is certainly not the most aggressive. Nobody mentions the aid it provides to the Arab world.


America isnt the only country which provides aid to the Arab world..

Nobody mentions that it helps those war-ravaged countries to recuperate and built new governments. Nobody mentions how happy many of their indigents are that Americans have "invaded" their lands to face oppressive, corrupt, and terrifying regimes such as that of Saddam Hussein.


sometimes the new governments are as bad as the old ones or could even be worse. I reading something a few weeks back on things gong on now where Saddam Hussein once was. It was so horrific and shockening (with what I was reading.. it couldnt have been a worst situation.. I'd wondered if things could of been better when Saddam Hussein was in power..and these horrific things were being done by the current government there right now!!

(with my memory issues I cant think now what it was it was completely barbaric thou.. the article of this news was at carecare.com )
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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby Summerlander » 31 Mar 2014 11:01

America isnt the only country which provides aid to the Arab world..


Never said they were the only ones. But yes, they do and it should be mentioned more often.

I'd wondered if things could of been better when Saddam Hussein was in power..


Er... no. You don't know what Hussein's regime was like. He was an absolute psycho. A coffee stain on a picture of the dictator could land you in jail or executed. The women in your family could also be raped as a punishment, and the rest of your family would be made to pay for the bullets used in your execution. This is an example of what it was like and it did happen quite often.
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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby Snaggle » 01 Apr 2014 09:09

Summerlander wrote:
America isnt the only country which provides aid to the Arab world..


Never said they were the only ones. But yes, they do and it should be mentioned more often.

I'd wondered if things could of been better when Saddam Hussein was in power..


Er... no. You don't know what Hussein's regime was like. He was an absolute psycho. A coffee stain on a picture of the dictator could land you in jail or executed. The women in your family could also be raped as a punishment, and the rest of your family would be made to pay for the bullets used in your execution. This is an example of what it was like and it did happen quite often.


Summerland these are two very wrong ideas. America is, like Saddam, both imperialistic and terroristic, there's no important differences between one conqueror worm and another. You're ignoring that Shrub and his Neo-con (more conqueror worm) subordinates planned both the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan before 911 and He just used 911 to rationalize those invasions, as he also used Saddam's claimed support of Al Qaeda and the claim that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

Your second point is just as wrong. America through UN sanctions (an act of terrorism) killed one million Iraqi children (1/2 million by the UN's official count) and America according to the Lancet's study on the second Gulf War claims America killed another million people in and as a result of that war - all in a country with only 23 million people. Top this off with the fact that America and it's NATO allies dropped 20,000 tons of depleted uranium on Iraq (more terrorism). Depleted uranium does not become safe for 450 million years after its use, even if it causes only one death a year during those 450 million years that American terrorism tops anything Saddam ever did both in and outside of Iraq. Even more horrible is that DU causes birth defects and the genetic damage caused by radiation is passed on to the children of the victim - meaning that even after those 450 million years people will be the victims of American and NATO terrorism. Both Bush and Shrub should be executed for their war crimes - they even make what Hitler did seem tame!

War if fought needs to be fought with justice, that is only to stop aggression or terrorism and without intentionally targeting civilians. Maybe Summerland you're ignorant of the fact that America dropped two nuclear bombs on two Japanese cities - meaning that American terrorism is not a new thing. Evil is evil, it does not matter whom does it.
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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby taniaaust1 » 01 Apr 2014 12:16

Summerlander wrote:
America isnt the only country which provides aid to the Arab world..


Never said they were the only ones. But yes, they do and it should be mentioned more often.

I'd wondered if things could of been better when Saddam Hussein was in power..


Er... no. You don't know what Hussein's regime was like. He was an absolute psycho. A coffee stain on a picture of the dictator could land you in jail or executed. The women in your family could also be raped as a punishment, and the rest of your family would be made to pay for the bullets used in your execution. This is an example of what it was like and it did happen quite often.


The new one in power is a psycho too. it just went from one psycho to another psycho..with so many innocents killed in the process.

I think I may remember what I was reading about the other day.. they are now beheading women there for just the crime of falling in love with another and run away to plan to marry (from what I remember the women they beheaded wasnt even married so wasnt even having an affair). If I find the article about the beheading of women there happening now and the new leader saying its his country and he can do what he likes there now! I'll post the link (its starting to cause an international outcry among activists).
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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby Snaggle » 04 Apr 2014 12:10

Taniaausti1
They are currently trying to boost their numbers as there is a battle going on between the two opposing sides of the illuminati (there is a good side of it and there is a bad side.. the bad side of it is into greed and world domination). Part of their boosting of their numbers is to recruit people who have been part of illuminati before and welcome them back into their fold, this isnt just about NWO but an also an occultic group one could say certainly in the more inner circles of it. They do not go back to 1776 but way way way back before this!! Further in history then most here would be prepared to accept.. the illuminati goes back to at least Atlantis.


All these points are unlikely. Every occult group claims ancient origins; but none of them really have one; except for Kabbalah. It's highly unlikely that they're any older than the Bavarian Illuminati. The Bavarian Illuminati and Skull and Bones are the only Illuminati proper (that anyone outside of them knows anyway).

Both were ultimately set up by the Rothschilds and for the same reasons: as agents to infiltrate governments and gain both inside intelligence from them and to influence and hopefully control them. They were also used to infiltrate political groups for the same reason. The Illuminati were/are just one leg of the Rothschild system,the others being their Patriarchs (front men economically) and their spy services which have morphed into the NATO intelligence services combined with Israel's. There likely are other Illuminati groups in other countries as it's logical for them to exist.

It's extremely unlikely that there's a good side of the Illuminati, but very likely that there are two sides of them - just as the Thule society divided itself into the Black Sun branch and the White Sun branch. We also know from checking the full membership of Skull and Bones (given to Anthony Sutton and published by him) that Bonesmen join both political parties to influence and control them towrds their agendas.

When I asked about history, he gave me access to a file on its history and some about their involvement of certain individual events in history and how they helped change history (which was a crazily huge about 55-62 pages long. I wasnt supposed to copy this but I did, I printed the whole lot. So much info it could of been a book but it wasnt written in like novel form at all.. it listed dates, events and then told you about it and how they helped the outcome of each event).. I was overwhelmed with all the info and was concerned this given file to me may just vanish from my computer if they suspected I was playing them for info but not reallly going to join (I did thou actually consider for a short time but then decided I do not wish to be caught up in warring sides of anything! as Im not into duality stuff. It just didnt feel right for me to join).


Burn the file to a disk or print it off. Almost all PC using windows are easy to hack and take control of - windows is that unsafe intentionally and the majority of windows users don't even use the pathetic defenses Windows has.

Some time later.. I forget now how long.. 2-3 years later.. I actually got postal mail come to me from them, once again trying to get me to join, then that happened again about a year after that. I ignored the mail both times. How on earth did they know my name and postal address. I NEVER gave that guy my real name nor address.. he only had my nic of that time sea-dove. The mail came to me in Australia.. from an address in America and openly said they were illuminati. (I was a bit scared at that point by this, I was freaked out by this occurrance for a good couple of months).


If they have your email and your IP address they can get your real name with a little research and with your real name, your Address and phone number with no problem. It takes less than 10 minutes to do this for me and I'm certainly not a power user doing these searches. Google and other email services are even providing your real name making both easy to find you and easy to steal your identity.
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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby Summerlander » 06 Apr 2014 01:55

The new one in power is a psycho too. it just went from one psycho to another psycho..with so many innocents killed in the process.

I think I may remember what I was reading about the other day.. they are now beheading women there for just the crime of falling in love with another and run away to plan to marry (from what I remember the women they beheaded wasnt even married so wasnt even having an affair). If I find the article about the beheading of women there happening now and the new leader saying its his country and he can do what he likes there now! I'll post the link (its starting to cause an international outcry among activists).


Yes, tania, indeed, it's horrific. Can you imagine that happening in the US and no intervention from the American law which, despite its flaws, is morally superior to Sharia?

Snaggle (and especially Snaggle for posting such atrocious misinformation and mentioning biased unreliable studies! :mrgreen: ) and all the others who compare America to a psychotic and tyrannical Saddam Hussein, you are overlooking one important difference...

The US government is more compassionate. The innocents killed as a result of their invasions and wars were collateral damage. They weren't intentional killings. If they had a sophisticated enough weapon that would only target the enemy, they would deploy it sensibly and effectively. Clearly, they will avoid the killing of innocents if they can.

The same cannot be said of the Taliban, for example, who will torture, rape and murder anyone regardless - including little girls who wish to go to school. In case you haven't heard, a 15 year-old (at the time) Malala Yousafzai had been shot in the head by the Taliban and made a remarkable recovery. She found refuge in the UK and even met the Obamas in the US. Gordon Brown also launched a UN petition which gave rise to the officialisation of Pakistan's first Right to Education Bill.

Check her out here:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/malala-yousafzai-tells-moment-shot-2365460

So, my question is, ladies and gentlemen, when the shit hits the fan, which side are you on? :roll:

War if fought needs to be fought with justice, that is only to stop aggression or terrorism and without intentionally targeting civilians. Maybe Summerland you're ignorant of the fact that America dropped two nuclear bombs on two Japanese cities - meaning that American terrorism is not a new thing. Evil is evil, it does not matter whom does it.


Because the Japanese were never imperial nuts themselves, right, smart arse? And there is never a threat that serious where a government needs to prove that they are not bluffing! Oh no! There is never an "us or them" situation... :)

America didn't aim for civillians, by the way. They aimed for highly weaponised military fortresses. They were attacked once and the Japanese still had no thought for the morrow nor for their women and children. So, with their inflated egos and false sense of honour, they chose to continue the war. The result: the US government, the evilest one in the world, the great Babylon, struck again... :D

Yeah, evil is evil, Snaggle, and ignorance is ignorance, too! If the Japanese had been smart, less imperialistic, more diplomatic, or even imperialists with diplomacy, they might have averted their atomic catastrophies. Like I said before, the USA is the lesser of evils, and, like all nations, it does make its mistakes. But you ask yourselves who in the world today is more threatening. Think about it... 8-)

On a different note... :P

Watching “Thirteen Days” (a film about the Cuban missile crisis starring Kevin Costner and Bruce Greenwood) made me want to look into the events that preceded it, namely, the Bay of Pigs invasion. For those who wish to know what led to the Cuban missile crisis, the story begins with a cold war between the United States of America and the Soviet Union, and the close relationship the former held with President Fulgencio Batista - who applied his controversial brand of “disciplined democracy” in Cuba.

Perceiving Batista’s regime as a dictatorship, a revolutionary Fidel Castro and his cohorts managed to overthrow it. Batista’s tenure forcibly came to an end, Castro proceeded to sever all ties the former government had with the United States, and an affiliation with the Soviet Union was developed. American president Dwight D. Eisenhower became concerned about the Cuban-Soviet affiliation as it reinforced the perceived threat of international communism. Eisenhower’s solution: $13 million to the CIA (an agency founded to mainly counter espionage by the Soviet Union’s KGB during the cold war) to plan Castro’s overthrow.

However, the Americans had underestimated the Cuban leader, who also had effective sources of information and got word of a possible CIA plan to invade Cuba beforehand. The foiled invasion, supported by Cuban counter-revolutionaries, took place two years after the end of the Cuban revolution, and a year after the election of John F. Kennedy - who couldn’t cancel the invasion for political reasons. (The Cuban exiles wouldn’t have been pleased with a cancellation for sure.)

Who’s to be blamed for the epic failure at the Bay of Pigs? I feel that both the CIA and the White House are to blame. And a president who doesn’t back his people all the way, a ditherer who popped painkillers on a daily basis, can’t possibly be a good head of state. In Kennedy’s defence, there is evidence that the CIA had lied to him about the details of the invasion, plus the fact that he had already been deprived of military information on Richard Nixon’s orders when the two of them were running for the Oval Office. How can a president make informed decisions based on insufficient and unreliable feedback?

The initial plan involved the invasion of the heavily populated, and mostly anti-Castro, Trinidad. It would have been the most promising spot for a successful mission. This could have caused a favourable uprising, and the guerrillas would be able to hide in the Escambray Mountains where they’d be able to join forces with other anti-Castro groups already settled there. The CIA official Richard Bissle pressured Kennedy to give the green light, but this one feared making too much “noise” that could implicate the US government’s involvement, and suggested that they come up with a new site to invade. (Kennedy wanted to be able to maintain plausible deniability.)

So Bissle came up with the worst possible new site: the Bay of Pigs - something that worried Esterline (a CIA member) besides the fact that a rumour about a cutback in air support was already circulating. The bay was Castro’s favourite fishing spot, so he knew it like the back of his hand. The Cuban leader had also helped many peasants there and support for his government was rife in that part of the country.

Bissle had also misled Kennedy by saying that the bay was defensible because it was surrounded by swamps, but failed to mention that those very same swamps made it impossible for locals to join up with Brigade 2506, the CIA-sponsored guerrilla of Cuban exiles trained in Mexico which was to carry out the operation. Complacent after his WWII experience, and his success with the coup d’etat in Guatemala, Bissle was confident that the brigade would successfully back the Democratic Revolutionary Front (DRF) against Fidel Castro and achieve victory. The reality, however, was that the brigade was defeated within three days. Castro’s army outnumbered them by 200/1 and there had been no American aviation support either.

Bissle planned to assassinate Castro and failed on that front, too. Initial plans to undermine Castro’s reputation with his people, such as spiking him with LSD, had been rejected in favour of having him killed by the Mafia - which would have given the US government a great cover story! Indeed, part of the funds for the Bay of Pigs mission was used to pay mobsters such as Johnny Roselli and Sam Giancana. Bissell, and CIA director Allen W. Dulles (later forced to resign) met with them and offered $150,000 to get the job done.

The failure of the invasion (an embarrassment for the US foreign policy) strengthened Castro’s administration, and the leader announced his intention to adopt socialism and to strengthen ties with the Soviet Union. (Leading up to the Cuban missile crisis.) Castro decided to purchase oil from the Soviets and boycotted American corporations. And so it was that the cold war dangerously extended that far (close enough to the start of humankind’s extinction via nuclear annihilation). The USA retaliated by cancelling the import of Cuban sugar, and, to further the boycott, prohibited exports to Cuba - apart from certain food products and medicine which were traded in for the safe return of captured guerrilla members.

The USA condemned the Cuban government for breaching human rights with its communism. Castro riposted by stating that destitute Americans were victims of their government’s monstrous imperialism which also continued to denigrate and maltreat black people - a good point that wouldn’t hold today, but, to be fair, Americans should have listened to Thomas Paine when he said the following prior to their Constitution in 1787 (and I paraphrase whilst still conveying the pamphleteer’s brilliant centenarian hypocrisy point): “How can we condemn the despotic British, and speak of freedom from their monarch’s tyranny, whilst supporting slavery in our land?”

President John F. Kennedy never saw the end of the communist threat and was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald (yes, conspiracy theorists, it was him) shortly after the Cuban missile crisis. If you think it took a while for the CIA to spill the beans on significant details and concede its partial blame for the Bay of Pigs debacle consider this: the Holy See only absolved Galileo from his charge of heresy in 1992! Fidel Castro, by the bye, is still alive today (6th April 2014). :shock:

Maybe Fidel Castro is the Wandering Jew, condemned by Christ to roam the earth until the end of days. And perhaps he once said he is an atheist in order to taunt God. :lol:

By the way, check out the "Thirteen Days" trailer, great movie!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSA7Evcy7iE
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Re: ILLUMINATI

Postby Snaggle » 10 Apr 2014 12:22

Leaving America for later.
Firstly Malala Yousafzai, I've seen her before America has trotted out these phony victims before every war from the Spanish-American war to all present conflicts. Remember this one; Youtube
Watch out for media propaganda to gain support for attacking Iran
How do I know Malala is another hoax. I looked for photos of her wounds and bandages. The original story was that she was shot through the head from one side of the forehead to the other, which they sold with photos of bandages placed on both the entry and exit wounds. Someone doubtless pointed out to them that if she had a wound like that her brain would have been damaged so much that she would not be able to deliver speeches to the UN, so they switched the story to the bullet entered her head and travelled down her throat, but they had already shown a photo of the entry wound on the left side of her head consistent with her being shot across the brain, so we're expected to believe a bullet entered her brain and then travelled down her throat at a right angle from the entry wound - don't believe in magic bullets - I've shot and killed enough times to know what they do.

As for JFK watch this Jim Marrs says Lyndon B Johnson and J Edgar Hoover killed Kennedy
Skip the first 11 minutes. BTW it's confirmed by info that JFK had the back of his head blown off, both by the original examiners and the federal ones...and no when one shoots someone the bullet makes a small button like hole where it enters, the real damage is seen where it exits due to the temporay cavity formed as it travels through the target. Watch shots through balistic gel if you don't believe me.
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