Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 30 Aug 2014 02:01

LoL!

You should watch "The Invention of Lying" starring Ricky Gervais...

I think the main one to worry about is Islam - although Jehovah's Witnesses are not far behind: recently, a little boy with a brain tumour was snatched from a hospital without the doctors' consent because the parents will not have him undergo a treatment involving a blood transfusion...

Anyway, Islam is particularly dangerous and the reasons are obvious. Just create a depiction of prophet Muhammad and publicise it. See what happens. If you're an artist, try creating a contemporary piece where the Quran is soaked in swine blood. You can bet that the majority of Muslims worldwide will take to the streets in a murderous rage...

Now, when we see Kurds being persecuted by Islamists in Northern Iraq, and men, women, and children starving to death in those mountains whilst being told to surrender and convert to Islam or die, we must ask: where are the Muslim protesters proclaiming such atrocities to be a misrepresentation of their religion with the same fervour that we saw during the Salman Rushdie affair or the Danish cartoons? Exactly... Religion or religious ideology first, humanity second...

Moderate Muslims are not doing us any favours either. They are either cherry pickers of the Quran and the hadith, or their intentions are truly questionable. In the Quran, martyrdom is upheld and forming a friendship with the infidel is strictly forbidden. And then there is the Islamic doctrine by the name of Taqiyya. This teaches a Muslim that he is allowed to use deception if he believes it will further his religious agenda. This is a permission to lie and goes well with the concept of jihad.

Let's now take a look at what's happening with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Just to be clear from the offset, I do not take any sides. Both sides believe in bullshit. But one cannot help to notice what the Jewish community have had to deal with. How can they trust the Muslims when Taqiyya exists? We cannot blame them for their highly sophisticated dome and their advanced methods to protect their citizens. It has brought them some relief. Prior to this, they lived very much in fear of suicide bombers. At the same time, I don't condone the "collateral damage" that resulted from their retaliation in response to the missiles from Gazza.

Yasser Arafat subcribed to Taqiyya when he was alive and ruled the Palestinians. He would sound peaceful in English when addressing the West, and sound horribly anti-Semitic when addressing his people in Arabic.

Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Palestine, paid Aushwitz a visit during WWII and had Himmler show him around. What was the purpose of his visit? Full cooperation with the Nazi Party and he certainly aspired to have death camps for Jews in Palestine. Roughly 8 years after Yasser Arafat received his Nobel Peace Prize, the leader of the Palestinians had proclaimed al-Husseini, a despicable bete noir, a hero! Today, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion canard is still being spread as some sort of truth or piece of evidence for some Jewish conspiracy in the Arab world.

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 01 Sep 2014 14:08

When it comes to the issue of blood transfusions in Jehovah's Witnesses, it isn't people being picky or just chieftains subscribing to the blood-curse belief. The majority, if not all, act upon it when they are faced with similar medical dillemas. Just research online. There are tens of thousands of cases out there. My uncle lost two of his kids because his wife refused the the blood transfusion treatment in Africa. I am yet to encounter a truly harmless religion in the world. Religion stunts your mental intelect and works against reason.

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 01 Sep 2014 18:41

You have twisted the definition of the "blood curse" that belongs to the tenets of Jehovah's Witnesses. What they believe in has nothing to do with the scientific factors you have outlined. The curse has to do with what happens to you, your children, and your descendants in terms of the course that one's life takes. A blood transfusion will not curse an entire generation with bouts of bad luck. That is false and their reason for refusing blood, when they mostly need it, is illogical.

Now, I should also highlight to you the fallacy behind your reason for rejecting blood transfusions. You could say you wouldn't want blood infected with a deadly pathogen - in which case clean blood can be arranged at the clinic. But to say that you have "baby blood" and wouldn't want it corrupted for the sake of your progeny is a pseudoscientific statement that subscribes to the flawed doctrine of Lamarckism...

You can introduce new components to your blood stream all you want and rest assured that your offspring will remain unaffected if you subsequently decide to procreate. Why? Because only the original genetic units will cross over in chromosomal form during meiosis. The parent's DNA remains intact inside the cells.

A person can lose a limb and procreate in the certainty that the successful embryology of his/her offspring will guarantee the emergence of all the limbs (just like the parent when he or she was born). Anyway, I think I've made my point above: The Jehovah's Witness curse isn't so much about blood as it is about bad luck, and that, sorry to say, is superstitious nonsense and bears no truth.

My reasons for not subscribing to religion bear no connection to any past traumas, emotional anger, or irrational thinking either. My reasons for being secular predate what happened to my uncle too. As an adolescent I studied science and religion. Science made more sense. That's how I made my mind up. Religion is simply wrong because it sets up dogmas based on "faith" and wish-thinking. It refuses to change or admit defeat in the face of opposing logic. Science is the antithesis of that. It welcomes debates, theories, tests, revision. It welcomes change according to evidence. It evolves. It isn't dogmatic. A blood specialist could provide all the evidence he can muster for the absence of a divine curse to a Jehovah's Witness and this one, in all likelihood, still wouldn't budge in his devout thinking.

In fact, according to the relevant Leviticus passage, only the blood of Jesus Christ is supposed to save you and if you are a member of the Christian sect that happens to subscribe to this and decide to break the rule by accepting human blood at the hospital, you are doomed to perdition. Jehovah is a jealous god, y'know. Only the blood of his son has the power of salvation. How tyrannical, totalitarian, and narcissistic. Never mind the medical help that mere humans can provide which is actually quite effective and continues to improve.

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 01 Sep 2014 19:44

I am also strongly against those religions that treat their women like chattel, namely, Islam. I know we agree on many things. But I literally think that religion, if it's going to be practised, should be done in private. But first and foremost, it should be discouraged as it affects reasoning and prevents people from thinking for themselves. (Children shouldn't be labelled as adherents of a particular ideology and brainwashed before they even have the power to research, understand the information, and decide for themselves - in fact they are even discouraged from questioning the "unquestionable truth" - this is mental abuse.) If publicly expressed as a truism, it should be ridiculed. And then, banning should be reserved for the truly noxious ones, as the dangerously extreme have no place in our society anyway.

At the moment, in its present form, religion is extremely powerful and influential - both socially and politically. In some nations it even has a licence to kill and basks in untold previliges. It can constitute law and a particular brand of so-called morality. It is primitive, infantile, and should have died long ago in the Dark Ages.

As for the blood transfusion issue, I think you have let yourself become too emotionally involved with that. There is plenty of blood to go around, especially in this climate where planet Earth is rapidly becoming overpopulated and science continues to advance, slowly (impeded by politics and religion) but surely. A major setback would be a second Renaissance where most would be swayed into the bosom of that awful Christian sect that appears to be against medicinal progress.

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 01 Sep 2014 23:57

I believe even the mysticism of Tibetan Buddhism is insidious to some individuals. The upside: it prescribes meditation (scientifically proven to be beneficial). But then again, you don't have to be a Buddhist to meditate or practise dream yoga. (Look at us lucid dreamers!)

If your multimedia class banned the public display of religious practice because it incited controversial kerfuffle that potentially interfered with the syllabus, then fair play. It might have been the quickest and easiest solution without upsetting too many people. In the worldwide arena, however, religion is seen as a powerful force negatively affecting many lives, even if devotees don't see it (or refuse to see it). At this scale, religion should definitely be open to debate.

There are indeed rare blood types and deficiencies that beg to be corrected for the sake of survival. Perhaps doctors spoke about its scarcity locally, or in terms of availability in the vicinity. I really couldn't say. I imagine that the larger the population grows, the more blood rarity declines. But I could be wrong and the truth may be counterintuitive. Another possibility is that lots of common types are being born and the rare becomes rarer - like needle in a haystack. I don't know.

There are also many types of blood transfusions and Jehovah's Witnesses may disagree amongst themselves on what constitutes a religious offence. Exegeses differ and schism is the other problem with religion.

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