Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby nesgirl » 17 Sep 2014 20:01

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 17 Sep 2014 20:56

Oh, come on, nesgirl. Think about what you are saying. It is extremely right wing... :shock:

Major surgeries can bring about hormonal changes and ultimately affect one's mind. (I'm assuming you are talking about the Hippocratic oath.) You can see then why they would refuse certain procedures and it is their right. :geek:

Don't you find your approach slightly totalitarian when it comes to depriving people of fantasies? You cannot tell people what to think and how to feel. This is why Kim Jong-un and his brand of Stalinism isn't very popular on the world stage. If what sexuals indulge in isn't harming anyone - like watching porn and engaging in solipsistic virtual sex (the latter can be regarded as upgraded onanism - and if they prove themselves to be civil in society, then who are you to deprive them of their private freedom? Do you see where I'm coming from?

You are accusing people of thought crime when they can't help what they feel and think. I'm proposing realistic indulgences without making anyone feel inappropriate, criminal, guilty, or freakish. I don't wish to dictate to those who are just being their harmless selves. I'm offering ways in which they can still preserve their rights to freedom. So I really don't see what is so wrong with sexually or even romance when it appears to work. You said it yourself in your statistics that not all such relationships fall so I don't think you are really getting to the root of the problem when it comes to sexual deviants.

If you are a leader (for the sake of argument) and you just ban certain modes of behaviour plus ways of thinking because they are repulsive in your mind or contradictory against your asexual nature, you are practically denying those who differ from you their very nature. Let's face it, we are not sufficiently advanced to genetically engineer an alternative. What you propose is a form of fascism, what many would consider an Orwellian dystopia. I don't like religion but if I was a leader I would not ban such beliefs. I would merely promote education and raise awareness of facts. Peope are still entitled to worship Yahweh in the privacy of their homes and minds - even express such beliefs in public - as long as they don't force others to think as they do (by telling them they need to be "saved") or brainwash children by dishonestly passing their beliefs off as truisms.

In essence, your words convey an iron fist which is not that dissimilar to Saddam Hussein's during Ba'athist Iraq. You are telling even the sensible ones how they should be living their lives. This is akin to the Islamic state's ideology which suppresses sexual urges in young suicide bombers so that they are more eager to die for Allah and reach heavenly virgins as quickly as possible.

Do you see why your approach is doomed to fail and there are better futuristic alternatives? We don't have to completely erase what makes us generally human. Your ideology strikes me as being analogous to this: "My holy book says homosexuals are an abomination therefore they should not get married by law because I believe in it." Or: "I'm on a strict diet therefore you can't eat pork, ice cream and chocolate..." :mrgreen:
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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby nesgirl » 17 Sep 2014 21:51

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 17 Sep 2014 23:57

I understand your concerns but I still think your approach is very much something like Thought-crime police tactics out of George Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty-Four." (Just read the book or check out the film of the same name and you'll see how depressing such dystopia is.)

We won't get banned if we just exchange ideas and express where we disagree. It normal. By the way, I didn't mean to say that an op would change you completely and with absolute certainty. I wasn't even talking about sexual orientation being affected or its absence thereof. I meant other risks that could arise to do with the mind, for instance. When I went to have a vasectomy once, I was told I would be increasing my chances of developing dementia. This is only an example.

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby nesgirl » 18 Sep 2014 01:00

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 18 Sep 2014 07:57

But how do you think billions of your fellow human beings would react to the decision to jettison sex and orgasms forever?

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby nesgirl » 18 Sep 2014 15:10

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 18 Sep 2014 18:37

Fuck me! :-D

There really are people for everything. I'll investigate. And I'll look for Iraqi conflict updates too.

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 18 Sep 2014 21:05

Sam Harris on the religious demagoguery of President Obama; the misconceptions of what ISIL really stands for; why Islam endorses what the terrorists are doing in Iraq and Syria as part of jihad - check the Quran, the hadith, and the teachings of renowned clerics like Mohammad Al-Areefi; how and why moderates and obscurantists stand in the way of a secular, improved world; and why religion in general is not the way forward. This is more relevant to the topic:

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/sleepwalking-toward-armageddon

@nesgirl:

I've been taking a look at the FAQ of that anti-sex site you recommended. It appears that they are against sex if it is not used for procreation. I say the world is overcrowded and people need to procreate less. I also think we lead short lives and we should have fun while we still can. so, it you have a penis or a vagina and you feel horny, don't give your genitals a break until you are satiated. :mrgreen:

Sex is not like drugs and orgasms can help one to destress. Even certain drugs which are legal in certain countries and are taken responsibly have had a positive impact on their society. (The Netherlands is an obvious example.) And guess what: sex is natural and we are animals. People don't like to be told how to live their lives and there is such a things as "safe sex."

I'm sorry but that website promotes a quasi-religious ideology: sex is bad, disgusting, abject; virgins are pure and innocent; we are born animalistically flawed and are ordered to be "well." :roll:

It's been scientifically demonstrated that sexual repression can beget adverse effects both physically and psychologically - often leading otherwise good and healthy people to act odoriferously. :shock:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby nesgirl » 19 Sep 2014 02:26

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