R99 wrote:R99 wrote:
but Animals dont kill a deer unless its hungry. but wen it comes to human, it kills not just for survive, it also for fun, greed etc etc..
that sentence explain everything. this is why humans cannot be compared to animals. did u just ignored that statement deschainXIX. whats ur thought. if humans r that intelligent y cant they follow this simple rule. DO NOT KILL IF ITS NOT NECESSARY.
I ignored that statement because I really didn’t think I needed to respond to that. Sorry.
The statement that an animal kills only when it is hungry only supports my previous idea which is that all organisms are totally mechanistic and materialistic in nature. Thus, they have no soul. They simply go around doing whatever is necessary to keep them alive. This is nature, do you understand? Things happen, and it’s brutal and uncaring and cold.
(I’m simply restating the ideas I mentioned in my first post. Perhaps you should reread it?)
Now, let us analyze the reasons humans kill, since your argument is that humans kill for different reasons than animals. We are beings of a higher intelligence. It’s because we are slightly more neurologically complex that you are unable to comprehend the reasons humans kill. Those reasons are no different than animals.
We slaughter millions of animals a day for food and survival. But the only reasons people don’t eat members of their own species, as some animals do, is because humans are more intelligent than animals and humans have developed a civilized society. (Again, safety in numbers.) Establishing a society of such intricacy and complication is a sign of greater intelligence (still restating things I’ve already said).
Now, you say we kill for fun. That is correct. Our entertainment (movies, books, television shows) is absolutely brimming with delicious violence. We love it. And not to mention hunting. Every year people go into the woods armed only with a rifle and kill anything they encounter.
Do you not see the underlying, psychologically-revealing truth hidden in this behavior? I don’t blame you; most people won’t even acknowledge that they love violence. The reason we love all of these things, the reasons serial killers exist, is because we were once at a less-evolved state, in which we were not intelligent enough to form societies of safety. We had to resort to hunting in the wild and killing things to eat. And we still have that impulse, that instinct inside of us (especially males, since males were always the members of the tribes to be sent out to hunt and attack other tribes). Again, we are simply more evolved and more intelligent. More complicated.
Then you say we kill for greed. This one is so simple. Killing someone for greed is still a calculated survival strategy. Greed is simply a desire for money. Money = survival. That's no "better" than a lion killing a gazelle for meat.
We also have a big moral dilemma here, with your statement. You're saying that humans are basically crazy because they kill for stupid reasons. Thus you’re saying that killing for practical reasons is somehow morally more acceptable than killing because of psychopathy.
All of the above things aside, your entire "argument" here can be refuted by saying simply this: Being a killer does not make you unintelligent. It seems like your idea of an intelligent organism is one that does no harm to another organism unless it is necessary. And that's simply incorrect.
R99 wrote:We're talking about intelligence, right? Here's an experiment I'd like you to conduct: Google search these three words--"weather forecast tomorrow."
its comes from a fancy machine not from bio chemical brain. and that was the point.
Oh wait ... you're serious.
I really need to walk you through this, huh? *sigh* That's disappointing...
You see, there is no magical "bio chemical" in an animal's brain that makes it constantly aware of weather patterns. Not at all. Over years of natural selection, behavioral imprinting, classical conditioning, and habituation the animal has learned to detect subtle shifts in air temperatures and thus knows it is time to hibernate/migrate.
Neither do humans have a magical "bio chemical" that informs them of the weather. Contrarily, they have learned to record and observe the movements of the clouds, studying precipitation and what exactly happens in our planet's atmosphere, discovering air molecules and the way they interact with one another and move according to atmospheric pressure differentiation. And over time, they have learned to build machines. Computing, calculating machines that have been programmed to forecast the weather.
R99 wrote:so animals and plants have their own level of intelligence. they know more about the environment. and we dont. and i didnt said their intelligence r equal to us.
Yes. You've learned that there are varying levels of intelligence. And humans are on higher, more complicated ones. And as for that second statement ... you realize that you just said a squirrel understands more about the various complexities of its forest environment than an ecologist does. Do I really need to refute that?
R99 wrote:i pointed these facts bcoz ur ego wants to believe humans r superior. and its not true,
Where did this even come from? You have literally missed almost everything I have said. Please, go back and read my initial post. I NEVER said that humans were superior. In fact, my argument was the complete opposite: that humans and animals are the SAME.
R99 wrote:u dont need to explain it again, i am just saying that sometimes in life we need to defend someone else more than ourself . and that time defines who u really are. even animals do that. and u r pointing things like animal instinct is bad thing. i think humans r brutal than animal. thats the whole point of my post. am just defending for animal world bcoz they dont have internet connection to post this
Addressing the statement that "humans are more brutal than animals," let me say this:
Humans and animals are equally brutal; it's just that humans bear more potency.
Here's another illustration: Two psychopaths are released from a state penitentiary. One of them is given a baseball bat. The other is given the key to a shed full of ballistic vests, automatic firearms, grenades, and a missile launcher.
These two men are equally insane, yet one is going to kill many more people than the other.