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Is there an afterlife?

Postby Old Traveler » 03 Nov 2014 04:15

A Physicist’s View of the Afterlife: Weird Quantum Physics
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/936107-a-physicists-view-of-the-afterlife-weird-quantum-physics/

The universe is full of mysteries that challenge our current knowledge. In "Beyond Science" Epoch Times collects stories about these strange phenomena to stimulate the imagination and open up previously undreamed of possibilities. Are they true? You decide.
NEWPORT BEACH, Calif.—Dr. Alan Ross Hugenot has spent decades contemplating the conundrums of physics, along with the enigma of human consciousness.
Hugenot holds a doctorate of science in mechanical engineering, and has had a successful career in marine engineering, serving on committees that write the ship-building standards for the United States. He studied physics and mechanical engineering at the Oregon Institute of Technology. 
“I did things using Newtonian physics to create ships,” he said, “but the whole time, I knew better. There’s this whole other world that our five senses don’t register.” He gave a talk on the science of the afterlife at the International Association for Near-Death Studies (IANDS) 2014 Conference in Newport Beach, Calif., on Aug. 29.
Exploring the scientific theories related to this other world, Hugenot has wondered whether the consciousness of living human beings as well as the “souls” of the dead reside in dark matter or dark energy. He has pondered the implications of the power our consciousness seems to have over physical reality.
Hugenot told of a near-death experience in the 1970s during which he experienced part of this other world. He found it “more real than this place.”
These matters aren’t only intellectual curiosities for Hugenot; they bear on a profound experience that has changed his worldview.
Hugenot summarized some theories in physics, interpreting how they may point to the existence of a consciousness independent of the brain and to the existence of an afterlife on another plane. He noted that further investigation (reliant on further funding) would be needed to verify his postulates. He also noted challenges in trying to verify these ideas in a traditional scientific framework.
Hugenot said the human consciousness may function like the data we store in the cloud. That data can be accessed from multiple devices—your smartphone, your tablet, your desktop computer.
During a near-death experience, theorized Hugenot, the mind may be fleeing a dangerous situation. We can “flip the switch and go to the other computer,” he said.
“The nexus of my consciousness is in my head, but the locus of my consciousness—where is it really? It’s outside my body. Because inside and outside is an illusion.”
Space may not exist, or at least not in the way we commonly understand it, he said, citing Dr. John Bell’s non-locality theorem. “[It's a] hard one to get; we love our space,” he joked.
Non-locality refers to the ability of two objects to instantaneously know about each other’s states, even if they’re separated by vast distances. It is related to the phenomenon of entanglement: particle A and particle B interact, and thereafter remain mysteriously bonded. When particle A undergoes a change, particle B undergoes the same change; A and B have, in many ways, lost their individuality and behave as a single entity.
Bell’s theorem has been verified by many scientists over the years and is part of mainstream quantum physics. Hugenot’s ideas about the consciousness existing inside and outside of the human body at the same time build on this theorem, but remain outside the mainstream.
 
Is the Afterlife in Dark Matter, or Maybe in Another Dimension?
What scientists have observed accounts for an estimated 4 percent of our universe. Dark energy and dark matter comprise the other 96 percent. Scientists don’t really know what dark energy and matter are, and their existence is only perceived because of the effects they appear to have on observable matter.
Hugenot said: “This undiscerned 96 percent of the universe … gives us plenty of room for both consciousness and the afterlife to exist in.”
Perhaps the consciousness exists in another dimension, Hugenot said. String Theory, much-discussed in mainstream physics, holds that other dimensions exist beyond the four-dimensional concept of the universe. String Theory views the universe as a world of very thin, vibrating strings. The strings are thought to project from a lower-dimensional cosmos, one that is simpler, flatter, and without gravity.
Hugenot said that reaching another dimension could be a matter of belief. Maybe our bodies could pass through walls if we really believed they could.
“My whole soul believes in 3-D, so I can’t go through the wall,” he said. He looked at some experiments that have shown the power human consciousness has to influence physical reality.
Consciousness seems to have a physical impact on matter. The famed double-slit experiment (explained in simple terms in the video above) shocked physicists when it showed that photons (light particles) act differently when they are observed than when no one is watching.
Essentially, the observer can cause the photons to take either the particle or the wave form by the very act of measuring; they aren’t fixed in one form as expected.
Particles exist as potential, Hugenot said, and the observer determines what form they take. He noted that the influence of a researcher’s mind on his or her experiment has serious implications: “If a skeptic wants to replicate what a ‘believer’ found in their experiment, the skeptic can’t do it, because … [it's going to go] the way that guy wants to see it and not the way the other guy wants to see it.”
Hugenot asked, if potential only takes form when observed, who or what was the observer of the Big Bang? His answer is, simply, “consciousness.”
 
Princeton Experiments Show the Mind Can Influence Electronic Devices
Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab (PEAR) at Princeton University is famous for experiments it conducted showing our minds may actually affect the operations of electronic devices. Over many years, PEAR researchers conducted millions of experiments with hundreds of people. A typical example of such an experiment is as follows:
A random event generator (REG) is an electronic device that can produce bits representing either 0 or 1. Study participants would try to influence the REG either way, toward 0 or toward 1. If the events showed a significant favor in the direction of the person’s will above what chance would dictate, it suggested the person’s will influenced the machine.
The cumulative finding was that the human mind can slightly influence the machine. Though the influence was slight, the consistency was significant. Over the course of so many trials, the statistical power increased. The probability of these results happening by chance rather than by an influence of the human mind is less than 1 to 1 billion.

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby nesgirl » 03 Nov 2014 20:35

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby deschainXIX » 04 Nov 2014 00:47

I agree with nesgirl, although perhaps for different reasons. I've written a lot about this on the forum.

But indeed, quantum physics and dark matter seems to provide the most compelling explanation for the existence of the afterlife. This is only because it is impossible to disprove it, simply because we know so little about it.
Nevertheless, I believe the afterlife to be an antiquated fantasy schemed up by people who didn't know much about neurology or biology.

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby Summerlander » 04 Nov 2014 02:44

I sense a lot of speculation and a little pseudoscience in what you posted, Old Traveller. This is another God-of-the-gaps tactic. If we haven't yet explained it or don't know what it is, therein lie gods and ghosts.

Dark matter can be seen to exist because something is clearly preventing galaxies from flying apart. We know gravity just isn't enough to hold them together. Dark matter, however, and unlike ghosts, shows indications for its existence. The argument that pseudoscientists make does not explain consciousness and merely postulates that it is a thing that must exist in another "space" or dimension. Guess what? It can't be dark matter then for this one makes up this very universe.

Quantum mechanics do not produce consciousness either. A complex system of matter is clearly required for such phenomenon to exist. First, consciousness is strongly interrelated with memory and has its evolution. Second, for all we know, it is a strong illusion. Ah, the double-slit experiment: thoughts do NOT have any effect on the outcome and it is atrocious to say that they do. Observation is what makes all the difference! But observation in scientific experiments usually means "measurement." Electron detectors will inevitably interfere with the trajectory of quantum particles or affect their original state. Hence the Uncertainty Principle. Nothing mystical or supernatural about this...

It seems that people who postulate ghosts and spirit realms in this day and age are only trying to revive the obsolete Cartesian Theatre model of the mind. I only ask that they look more closely at what the world of neuroscience has been showing us...

Because of these so-called scientific types who have a trauma-induced hallucination and claim that is proof of an afterlife, we get a lot of confused laypeople. NDEs are not proof of anything but an active brain that tells porkies, distorts time, and concocts pseudo-realities. Any lucid dreamer should know this! It should also worry afterlife believers that only 20% of the population reports NDEs after life-threatening traumas while the rest say there was nothing or no memory...

Maybe it's the Rapture or something... :-D

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby Old Traveler » 04 Nov 2014 10:44

"I sense a lot of speculation and a little pseudoscience in what you posted, Old Traveller. This is another God-of-the-gaps tactic. If we haven't yet explained it or don't know what it is, therein lie gods and ghosts."

There is indeed a lot of that, still, it makes an interesting story. A lot of people will find it interesting, to say the least. :mrgreen:

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby Worldenterer1 » 05 Nov 2014 00:20

Personally, I think it would be nice to get reincarnated with no memory of your past life. However, I don't think that's true. I think that consciousness dies with the brain, leaving you to a void of infinite unconsciousness. You'll never wake up, and never know you've been alive, forever. It kind of scares me a bit. I take solace in knowing that I existed whether I know it or not. :?
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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby Summerlander » 05 Nov 2014 00:37

Thank you! LoL!

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby Jack Reacher » 05 Nov 2014 01:59

The concept itself doesn't make sense to me. If there is life after "life", then your life never really ended in the first place.
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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby buildit » 05 Nov 2014 02:26

I like the idea of an afterlife for two reasons I think.
1. I have been disenchanted with this life and what I have found in it.

2. The question and getting the answers to what happens next and until the end.

If Neil deGrasse Tyson can imply the lack of other intelligent life in the universe is a huge waste of space, then existence for a period that is basically nonexistent in cosmic history is a huge waste of..... time. ;)
Is Lucid Dreaming the brains preparation for the next step of human evolution when we can escape the corporeal bond of our bodies?

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby deschainXIX » 05 Nov 2014 13:05

So you're admitting to your own bias toward certain notions. Also, your, ah, reasoning may sound delightfully poetic, but it still doesn't serve as sound proof for the existence of an afterlife.

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