Malala and Terrorism

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby LoneDreamer » 17 Sep 2017 06:46

Summerlander wrote:The source is quite reliable: The Independent. Boris Johnson is quite right in saying it is a free country and symbols should not be banned. In Germany, the swastika is banned because many people take offence; but the symbol is just an innocuous form of expression---often used in art and historical cinematography.

That aside, what does the aforementioned Islamic flag tell you? That everyone who carries it subscribes to the pernicious religion of Islam. Exegesis doesn't matter: the Qur'an profoundly influences certain individuals in various ways and if taken literally they have themselves a recipe for civilisational incompatibility and disaster.

Nobody from the Left will dare to ban the flag---even though enough have died by the hands of said Muslim flag-wavers since before and after 9/11. If you support banning the flag, Geert Wilders is the man in Europe you'll want to elect. But he may be a little too Right for my liking. I agree with Wilders's criticism of Islam and that 'enough is enough' from the regressive Left who continue to safeguard Muhammadan fascism against its critics, but the politician is wrong in thinking that the ban will be effective in precluding terrorism at home.

The enemy is already among us. He already holds a native passport. ISIS adherents are already born all over the world because that's how far the ideology has spread. There are mosques all over the world save for a very few nations. And a decision to ban Islamic symbolism is a little too late, and now, especially with the advent of cultural relativism, could prove to be socially harmful to freedom of expression.

Let's face it: you only cross the line if you kill or seriously injure others. If we ban a simple flag, people might call into question what else requires censoring lest someone out there cries offence. We are all well aware that it is possible for people to feign umbrage to their personal advantage and plaintiffs bare false witness in court every day. Muslims don't have to pretend to be offended. They express offence (often with violence) and they want their religion to conquer the world. Jihad is one of the central tenets of Islam.

Yes, Jihadists brought down the World Trade Center. Enough journalists and investigators indentified the culprits and witnessed how their families rejoiced at the news because their beloved martyrs succeeded. Any other claim lies in the realm of conspiracy theory. :mrgreen:

It seems the effect of WW2 is already faded, hence the current rise in extreme rightwing ideologies. It seems the clash of civilizations is inevitable. We may witness more events like the one happening in Burma all around the world.

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby 24/7/365 » 17 Sep 2017 15:06

The rise and fall of cultures has always been the norm. So far, the ability to use higher thought as a tool for survival has been sporadic.
There's no way getten around that age old universal standard: action/reaction

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby Summerlander » 17 Sep 2017 16:58

That's very true. That's why intellectual revolutionaries, at least in the initial stages of subversive activity, encourage individuals to think for themselves and break free from the state-engineered vox populi.

Most people just want to fit in, follow the norm and thus fear breaking the rules or the perceived established order. The masses can be easily manipulated when they are told what to think (or in some cases to refrain from thinking) and what is acceptable behaviour. Mavericks and rebels are rare so they have to be extra strong; the courage of their rhetoric can push for change and progress.

Men like Marx devised sociopolitical theories to be tested against the collective psychological state of mankind. Some say communism failed because it was flawed; I'd say it is possible that the recipe is incompatible with human nature to begin with, and arguably, it never had a fair trial. Leninism, Stalinism and Maoism was not what Marx had in mind.

The theory, according to Marxist literature, was to be tested on a capitalist nation like the United States---not serfdom templates like czarist Russia or the landlord dynasties of an underdeveloped China before its socialist revolution. But, as history had it, America perceived the communist manifesto as a threat to its capitalist empire---propaganda from Washington successfully exerted its influence and figures like Eugene Debs were vilified.

Just look at the great revolutionary minds in history: Thomas Paine, Che Guevarra, Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky etc.---all of them knew they needed cogency in order to create ripples, and they were also well aware of the risks. And men like George Orwell warned us of the slipery slope where revolutions often lead to the establishment of new dictatorships.

Remember how hard Trotsky, who took part in at least two revolutions, tried. Bear in mind how much he wanted mankind to progress---like a true Marxist minus Stalin's greed and egotism. And also consider the fact that not all intellectuals care about freedom or progress. Now consider this quote:

'Two images have been with me throughout the writing of this essay. Between them they seem to show the alternative paths for the intellectual. The one is of J. M. Keynes, the other of Leon Trotsky. Both were obviously men of attractive personality and great natural gifts. The one the intellectual guardian of the established order, providing new policies and theories of manipulation to keep our society in what he took to be economic trim, and making a personal fortune in the process. The other, outcast as a revolutionary from Russia both under the Tsar and under Stalin, providing throughout his life a defense of human activity, of the powers of conscious and rational human effort. I think of them at the end, Keynes with his peerage, Trotsky with an icepick in his skull. They are the twin lives between which intellectual choice in our society lies.'

~Alasdair MacIntyre, 'Breaking the Chains of Reason', in Out of Apathy

As most governments will have you imbibe, sedition is a sin and to be avoided. This is the antithesis of the revolutionary. But we also don't want a government to continuously welcome the enemy by legitimising their dissent on the basis that all cultures and ideologies are equally valid and respectful---some ways of living are just noxious and hamper human flourishing ... like Islam.

Another terrorist attack in London, Parson Green tube station, and one of the suspects was based in Hounslow, just down the road from where I live. When is the next one? :|
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby LoneDreamer » 19 Sep 2017 03:07

Summerlander wrote: Another terrorist attack in London, Parson Green tube station, and one of the suspects was based in Hounslow, just down the road from where I live. When is the next one? :|

Be on the look out for any bearded Allah hu akbaring guy. :lol: It seems BBC may have to tune down the Buddhist terrorism propaganda and tune up the terror has no religion propaganda. :mrgreen:

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby Summerlander » 19 Sep 2017 13:40

Even Myanmar has Muslims involved. Everywhere Islam is there is trouble. In here, they still say it has nothing to do with Islam because Muslims can't possibly behave that way. :mrgreen:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby LoneDreamer » 20 Sep 2017 03:34

Summerlander wrote:Even Myanmar has Muslims involved. Everywhere Islam is there is trouble. In here, they still say it has nothing to do with Islam because Muslims can't possibly behave that way. :mrgreen:

From what I have read the rohingyas were on a rampage against the natives doing rapes, killing people, love jihad etc. After that they started demanding separate country and sharia. They had asked Jinnah to help them in creating a separate country out of rakhine. Now, they are paying for it.

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby LoneDreamer » 23 Sep 2017 06:15

Even though we think of Islam as barbaric and backwards but what explanation would you give for the golden age of Islam, since it had Islamic influence?

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby Summerlander » 23 Sep 2017 16:06

Here's something about the so-called 'Golden Age of Islam':

https://youtu.be/qQbZNSEbYFk

It doesn't seem so golden now, does it? Islam, as an ideology, has only served to divide and stultify human progress. :mrgreen:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Malala and Terrorism

Postby LoneDreamer » 24 Sep 2017 11:30

Thanks, I will check it out. :D


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