Here is the original paper:
As a mathematician, I think the application of formal probability to the argument is an overreach, at best, and the AI foundation for the argument seems naive to me. However there are some VERY interesting ideas beginning in Section 6 (Interpretation), paragraph 8 which will probably be of interest to many people on this forum.
Something else thats interesting is a universe that is made in a lab by physicists. How do we know our universe isnt part of long chain of universes within universes?
I think life here on earth is in one way or another a "virtual reality" much like lucid dreams and in a sense, is a simulation. We are all participating together to manifest our physical reality and agree on the rules that operate in it so it is very stable.
Peter wrote:what part of this is created and when did it start, I am sure the first few people did not have the brain power to hold this sim in place
I don't think anyone is prepared to explain the beginning the universe as we know it. No matter what theory you subscribe to, the question will always arise: "And what happened before that?" To think about something as having always existed is difficult if not impossible for our human brains which are living with the concept of time. I believe consciousness may have organized itself over time, and maybe that is the part of the process we are undertaking here, but I think it has always existed.
If the universe as we know it exists as a manifestation, it would certainly have to be done by something much larger than human brains which I think are more or less an interface device. But we are building more and more advanced computers which are now almost equal to the entire human brain power of planet Earth. If computers continue to advance, we will create our own simulations and virtual reality devices then at some point the question of "what is real" will get really interesting.
Peter wrote:I do think that the dreaming world and that area is the creation and work in progress and the physical is the womb and more of an experiment.
I've read your posts and get the impression that your lucid dream world is as real as mine. I'm completely amazed that we are capable of creating a world that is so real. When I have a lucid dream I am physically stepping into a reality as if through a curtain of some kind. Two dimension fuzzy into three dimension hi definition just like flipping a switch. At that point, there is no difference to waking reality.
From where does this ability come? How can we create something like that? How can imagination have 3 dimensions, gravity, hot and cold, rough edges, solid surfaces, smells, pain? I often wake myself up from lucid dreams because I can't process it yet. It's too much for me sometimes. Much of the time during lucid dreams I'm thinking "Get out of here, I don't believe this." and "How can this be a dream? No way!" I like to have space between them just so I can try to process the experience. It really wouldn't surprise me if our entire life is some kind of lucid dream. From what I've experineced so far, I don't think I'd be able to tell the difference.
It really wouldn't surprise me if our entire life is some kind of lucid dream. From what I've experineced so far, I don't think I'd be able to tell the difference.
This I am not sure about but in some ways yes you must be right, its all personal and the world you see is not the one I see. They are close but cant be the same. In quiet moments I can think about it and not pick the difference but know it is not a dream in the same sense as it is different. Its a great puzzle and one I dont tire of
But then! I read the amazing ...(everything-changing!) paper by NZer Brian Whitworth "The Physical World as a Virtual Reality" To me this paper clearly shows that the laws of physics very strongly suggest or point to a simulation... a computation. eg Why is there a speed limit of universe? (light speed) and why does time slow down when objects moving are very very fast (near lightspeed) Answer: because there is a processing speed to reality. When things are too big or too fast they slow down the computation.
This site has a summary table of the basic principles. http://www.transcend.ws/?p=1667
Well It totally freaked me out when I read the paper. And now I KNOW we are in a simulation. And Brian Whitworth is a genius for seeing through what we are taught... to see the true simplicity of why reality is the way it appears.
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