Peter wrote:why to we always assume that peace is the natural progression for us and that an alien visitor would be peaceful, they just might as easlily decide that the arguing humans were the only ones on the planet that were devloped.
Yes... and this goes back to what I said in a previous post: it has even been suggested that we have evolved to argue (and we like to win) and not necessarily to be rational. It is whatever you decide what is right. One might decide to give up on thinking (or not focus on it) to solve problems in a diplomatic way (and an alien may not even hold this concept) and, instead, act according to the proverbial "survival of the fittest" code.
But in a world full of rules, where laws are enforced, and where certain concepts and illusions are promulgated, we don't have much choice. The ultimate way of living will be a consensus one (and even this one will have conflicts). If one wants change, one must strive for it. Becoming a politician in the system that we have is a start but one that many abhor.
Many of us like to winge about the world but the minute someone suggests that we do something about it via the proper channels (instead of protests) we are quickly put off.
But then again, it is also important to have focus and recognise what is important. Why bother with arguments and waste your energy when you can focus on being happy with what you have and who you love? In the end, consider what is productive. Sometimes being argumentative isn't the best method. There are other subtler ways. Check out work published by Dale Carnegie. Now that is a man using his brain, or, more precisely, using his knowledge on psychology to get ahead. As I said before, things are not black and white... so many grey areas!!
Peter wrote:Budda might also be considered an oddity and his followers the same, there are so many assumptions that to me are leading to a dead end. Science has followed one path, if we were to look back could we find minds that had different views but never got the funding or exposure to lead us in another direction.
I think as far as aliens are concerned we are really looking for some other version of ourselves and not aliens, I am not sure we can even imagine what an alien might look or be like
Buddha is whatever you make of him. Sure, as the story goes, he had followers and they are still around today. The picture they paint of him is one that is quite remarkable. According to this picture, Mr. Gautama would encourage people not to follow him, but, instead, use his example to find their way - meaning that they wouldn't have to necessarily do what the man himself was doing.
But I can understand where the philosophy of the Buddha is coming from. He realised, through meditation, that the self is an illusion and that one can achieve a state of non-being, which, and he is spot on there, the closer you get to it, the more blissful it gets as conceptual reality disappears and you still your mind. I have reached states like these, and, although they may have only lasted for a split second...it was worth it.
Even Buddhism has been corrupted since the time of Buddha. There is a lot of mysticism that comes with it in its various forms, but, in its purest form, if you heed the story, the little prince was curious about the nature of reality and he was an excellent observer. Eventually he arrived at the conclusion that it is all mind. This means that everything we experience is a mental model. It is the first reli... ahem... philosophy (I don't consider it a religion) to acknowledge that reality can't be directly observed.
In fact, if you think about it, no creature holds the "true" picture of what the external world really looks like. You have to use mind projection... there is no other way. A bee might detect more colours in nature (wavelengths of light) than a human, a dog's vision is inferior but their sense of smell is highly developed, a bat relies on sound and so on. In fact, you could say that the colours we see are the codes made up by our neurons in order to describe different wavelengths of light. We are dealing with an electrical universe here...
On aliens: we can study carbon-based life and how it behaves here on Earth and then attempt to deduce, from observation, on what aliens might look like. Maybe they take up many forms according to the many different environments they dwell in. I wouldn't limit our imagination though, because, we can even imagine that which we have never encountered: a flying pig, a talking crocodile, a chicken with teeth...
There have been many depictions, however: Predator, Aliens, The Faculty, The Invaders, Independence Day... and The Darkest Hour - where the aliens are practically invisible to us! who knows, we might not even recognise alien life when we see it! Check out this trailer: