REM dreamer

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Nickfan40
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REM dreamer

Postby Nickfan40 » 06 Aug 2018 00:15

I've been trying to program my REM dreamer to flash 20 times every 20 minutes with beeps and on flash brightness 9/9 because I'm a deep sleeper, but it won't do it. It's very different from the Novadreamer I had because I got it from Tools for Wellness, and it comes from Poland. I can't find my instruction manual anymore, but it didn't say anything about how to program it like that in there, and I can't find the online version of the manual. Can the programming be done by holding down the RT (reality testing) button?

I wish they'd have kept the Novadreamer; it worked for me without a lot of extra stuff.

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Solaris_142
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Re: REM dreamer

Postby Solaris_142 » 06 Aug 2018 05:10

Cool you have one of those... I always wanted to try one and see how they work and if they would do anything for me. Would be interesting to see how the light flashes would incorporate into my dreams and if I could recognize it as a dreamsign. Would love reading about your experiences with it.
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Nickfan40
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Re: REM dreamer

Postby Nickfan40 » 08 Aug 2018 02:00

I go by the name NickFan40 on this site and can read some of my dreams, but they are from The Novadreamer, not The REM dreamer.

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Re: REM dreamer

Postby Nickfan40 » 08 Aug 2018 02:01

I go by the name NickFan40 on this site and you can read some of my dreams, but they are from The Novadreamer, not The REM dreamer.

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Re: REM dreamer

Postby Solaris_142 » 09 Aug 2018 16:48

Nickfan40 wrote:I go by the name NickFan40 on this site and you can read some of my dreams, but they are from The Novadreamer, not The REM dreamer.


I've heard both names. "Nova Dreamer" and "REM Dreamer" What is the difference between them? I actually thought they were both basically the same thing. Maybe different design. Or maybe one was a revised version of the other or something like that. I don't know much about it I guess. Just what I remember of what I read about the mask in "Exploring The World Of Lucid Dreaming?" I actually thought those masks were discontinued and couldn't be found anywhere. I looked into possibly buying one once long ago and couldn't find it anywhere. They still sell them now?
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Re: REM dreamer

Postby iby1337 » 09 Aug 2018 20:20

Have you had any lucid dreams using the rem dreamer?

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Re: REM dreamer

Postby PixelatedPixie » 13 Nov 2018 23:00

I answered both the technical questions from the original poster and other questions about the differences between the Nova Dreamer and REM Dreamer based on my personal experiences with both of them.

In answer to the technical questions first (in keeping more in alignment with this thread's original intention): I looked at my REM Dreamer manual, and it doesn't seem like it can be set to the original poster's preferences of flashing '20 times every 20 minutes with beeps.' Here's the closest I could find in the manual that you can experiment with to find what works: Go into the main settings and select the sixth of the 13 different settings; this sixth setting is your cue frequency. 'It sets the frequency, the number of stimuli per second. It is used to set both the number of light flashes and beeps per second. Value range is 1-9 and cannot be set to 0. 1 is slowest, 9 is fastest.'

To adjust the flash brightness, go to setting number 3 (of 13). Selecting 0 will give you no flash, 9 will give you the brightest flash. Since you are a deep sleeper, you might also want to change the beep volume, which is under setting 4 of 13. If you choose 0 for beep volume, you will get only silence (no beeps). Choosing 9 will give you the loudest beeps.

When you set the REM Dreamer to what you want to experiment with, you can then check your settings while you are awake by pressing the Reality Testing (RT) button long 'at least one second, no matter what menu entry is set (except for 8: Dream Alarm). You will see series of cues which will be generated after detecting REM. When menu entry is 8, you will see generating DreamAlarm.'

So while you might not be able to set the cues for every twenty minutes, the REM Dreamer is set to just keep giving you cues automatically until you either go lucid or wake up. 'After detecting the REM state the REM Dreamer gives its series of cues. After generating a cue, the REM Dreamer will wait 4 minutes, then resume monitoring eye movement. Thus, during the REM state the device gives cues every 5 minutes.' (Again, this doesn't look like a setting you can customize).

When in doubt, you can always reset it to factory default settings by taking the batteries out. The default settings are '12 flashes with no beeps, 2 per second, length 1/10 second, flash intensity 6/9, and sensitivity at 6.'

And you didn't ask, but because you don't have your manual anymore, you might find this helpful- the 13 different settings: 1) delay time. 2) Preset. 3) Flash brightness. 4) Sound volume. 5) Cue length. 6) Cue frequency. 7) Length of series of cues. 8) DreamAlarm. 9) Two Way Communication. 10) REM detector test. 11) Generated series of cues. 12) REM detector sensitivity. 13) Turning off the REM Dreamer.

Hope this helps!

Nova Dreamer vs. REM Dreamer (my personal experiences).

I had the Nova Dreamer back in the day, and I have the REM Dreamer now. They are similar, but different animals. The Nova Dreamer was easier to use, more intuitive. I remember just reading the instructions for it one night (that were in fluid English), affixing it to my head and just going with it. I had some good lucid experiences that came quickly while using the Nova Dreamer, and I'd still be using it right now, if it hadn't gotten ruined in a flood.

I have the REM Dreamer now, and the learning curve is steeper, but that may be because it seems to have additional (exciting) features that the Nova Dreamer did not have- as well, the user manual for the REM Dreamer is difficult to understand- a bit disorganized and written by someone for whom English was not the first language. The REM Dreamer does not seem as intuitive overall with regards to learning how to use it.

Anyway, my favourite thing about the REM Dreamer is its supposed (I haven't gotten far enough to test it, so I say 'supposed') Two Way Communication. This is for when you are lucid, you just move your eyes up and down in the dream (and this will move your physical eyes). You do it in such a way that it signals the Dreamer to 'turn off' and to stop giving you the lucid dream signals so that you don't accidentally wake up because of the lights or sounds. That's really awesome and worth the learning curve, I think, if it works. I haven't had much time with my REM Dreamer to feel confident using it; I'm still exploring the settings, etc.


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