Being a Well Liked Person

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Re: Being a Well Liked Person

Postby Snaggle » 10 Jul 2014 13:22

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The second is about Charles Whitman (thanks for reminding me of his name but your info is incorrect and a "friend's" testimony, if there ever was one, is unreliable and therefore unscientific to assume it is true). And no, the case is most certainly not a "scientific hoax." (Where did you hear that?) :D

"Post-mortem autopsy of his brain revealed a glioblastoma multiforme tumor the size of a walnut, erupting from beneath the thalamus, impacting the hypothalamus, extending into the temporal lobe and compressing the amygdaloid nucleus (Charles J. Whitman Catastrophe, Medical Aspects. Report to Governor, 9/8/66)."

http://brainmind.com/Case5.html


My info is correct Summerland. Their was only one autopsy performed on Whitman. Here's a link to it http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/whitman,%20charles_report.pdf

Here's an exact quote from it “ In the middle part of the brain, above the red nucleus, in the white matter below the gray center thalamus, is a fairly well outlined tumor about 2x1 .5x1 cm in dimensions, grayish-yellow, with peripheral areas of red as blood.” - Dr. Coloman de Chenar.

Here's an actual quote from the press release of Governor Connelly's commission investigating the cause of Whitman's running amuck

“ 4. Glioblastoma multiforme (sections of two pieces of tumor reportedly removed from the right temporo-occipital white matter by Dr. de Chenar on August 2, 1968)....


7. Multiple wounds of the body.

The malignant tumor removed from the brain by Dr. [Coloman] de Chenar microscopically exhibited the features of a glioblastoma multiforme with a remarkable vascular malformation. It contained widespread areas of necrosis with palisading of cells characteristic of glioblastoma multiforme.

No evidence of other disease or previous trauma was observed although the destruction of the brain by gunshot wounds was so extensive that anatomic relationships could not be completely evaluated and the examination of all the major nerve tracks and nuclei of the brain was impossible.” - Press Conference, Medical Aspects, Charles J. Whitman Catastrophe, page 7

Link to it http://alt.cimedia.com/statesman/specialreports/whitman/findings.pdf

The friend's eyewitness testimony was recorded in a report by the FBI that was classified, but partially out under the freedom of information act request. It had vials of dexedrine on him when he was killed, which further confirms "the eating them like popcorn" quote. He was taking dexedrine and valium at the same time under prescriptions. Links to side effects

http://www.rxlist.com/valium-side-effects-drug-center.htm

http://www.rxlist.com/dexedrine-side-effects-drug-center.htm

Incidentally it was the psychiatrist whom reported that he was a young muscular man seething with anger and talking about wanting to kill people by shooting them from the university of Texas at Austin tower whom put him on dexedrine! I'll go out on a limb and speculate that the FBI both had a report on Whitman and classified it because he was an early test subject of the CIA's MKUltra program. Whether that is correct or not, he certainly was a victim of psychiatric malpractice and is part of a long list of people victimized by trying to cure people with drugs. Another link http://www.ssristories.org/

Governor Connelly rejecting the autopsy report and seeking proof that 'Whitman's brain tumor did it' and the use of Whitman as evidence that a defective brain caused his behavior were the hoaxes involved. There's no evident that "pressure on the amygdala" causes anything. The idea is completely "unscientific" The hoaxers are taking an hypothesis as a fact and then trying to gather evidence for it - the very essence of being unscientific.
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Re: Being a Well Liked Person

Postby Summerlander » 10 Jul 2014 19:58

Conspiracy theories, Snaggle. You are heeding the wrong sources there. But what does it matter? My point has been made regardless of tumours or drugs in the brain. Free will is an incoherent concept and has no place in our universe. (Unless you can show me a genuine instance of free will?) I think we'll leave it there, buddy. :)

The fact that there is no free will, as I was saying before, can help us to be more humanistic and bring us closer together. While nobody can really be credited for their achievements, praise can be given as a means to show respect and turning us all into well liked people. And the truth is that nobody can be blamed for anything whilst we encourage everyone on the right path.

Thomas Hobbes, a 17th century English philosopher and the first political theorist, harbingered political science with his masterpiece “Leviathan.” This book, having been published a few years after the English civil war, highlights social mores that urge its readers to obey the state for the sake of peace and may be partly responsible for the survival of monarchy in the UK today. The book doesn’t go without criticism. In “The History of Western Philosophy,” Bertrand Russell points out, in complete contrast to Hobbes’s submissiveness to the state, that governments need some fear of rebellion as a means to forestall tyranny (as this one can be so bad as to make anarchy more desirable). Russell brings our attention to the fact that Hobbes appears to make the assumption that everybody shares the same interests, dismissing the clash between different social classes - a detail which Karl Marx so eloquently addressed - and the solution to prevent anarchy which should have been obvious to the Royalist philosopher was the sharing of power, not its total ascription to the sovereign. Nevertheless, Hobbes was a real anachronism in what he proposed.

Hobbes was an early proponent of egalitarianism within a social contract. He advocated civility, community, and endorsed monarchy as the best political state and the only political prophylactic device capable of safeguarding us from the excogitation of anarchy and its perils. Hobbes believed that people are inherently prone to cruelty because they are selfish - thus his insistence that mankind needs governments and laws to keep it in check. Without such control, morality dwindles down. This view was in opposition to the views of Aristotle - who saw the natural state of human beings as largely altruistic, compassionate, and communal in social terms, and believed this to vindicate monarchy as an inevitable corollary.

Hobbes had a materialist outlook on life in which everything could be explained by mechanisms and motion. (He was strongly influenced and impressed by the works of Galileo and Keppler.) At the same time, Hobbes didn’t see the scientific method as wholly reliable on the basis of subjective heterogeneity (a diversity of observers is involved). For him, geometry is “the only true science so far created.” (These are the opinions of one enlightened man during the Scientific Revolution.)

Hobbes used his rationality to criticise superstition and religious doctrine, too. For example, as a determinist and subscriber of Heraclitus’ vision of impermanence in reality, he pointed out that without free will divine punishment makes no sense. He derided Descartes’ dualism, and, as a man who also translated Homer’s literature, asserted that “the legends of the Gentiles came from failing to distinguish dreams from waking life” and that “beliefs that dreams are prophetic, and that ghosts and witchcraft are real, are delusions.” (These quotations may be slightly paraphrased.)

I believe Thomas Hobbes was an atheist, too. The accusation of disbelieving in an almighty creator had been made, and, in order to protect himself, Hobbes claimed to follow the traducianism of Tertullian - the founder of Western theology who professed God to be of a corporeal nature. The truth, as I strongly suspect, is that Hobbes was terrified of the “heretic” label (in the 17th century, charges of heresy and profanity were was as bad as accusations of rape and paedophilia). This can be inferred when, in 1666 (after the Great Fire), the House of Commons legislated against atheistic and blasphemous manuscripts - mentioning Hobbes’s “Leviathan” as a prime example. Sensing danger ahead, Hobbes went as far as burning some of his compromising written work. This strikes me as a man who was limited in fighting for what he believed to be right and didn’t have it in him to go against the dissenting majority.

But then again, it could be argued that, when the House of Commons publicly expressed its anti-atheism, it was in Hobbes's best interests to be seen by the majority as a well liked person. Doing nothing towards this goal and confirming his opprobrium could mean the difference between life and a violent death. :shock:

Here's Bertrand Russell on Thomas Hobbes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg2wJFpntvQ
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Re: Being a Well Liked Person

Postby Je-Je » 17 Jul 2014 07:50

btifuldreamer wrote:Very good comments. I am happy to say that since posting this topic i have made a lot more friends all thanks to just saying hi to some people. I've learned that you don't have to have deep conversations with people to be good friends, just a simple how are you will do then you can get on with what you are doing. I'm not necisarily saying i'm trying to be someone else, i am getting out and meeting more people which makes me feel better and more sociable. My ideal plan for the weekend used to be sitting in my lounge room all day playing video games however now i if i do that i feel like i should be getting outside talking to people. But that's just me, i'm slowly becoming comfortable being able to talk to anyone and everyone. But how come nowadays everyone is so afraid to just say hi to people? I've observed that the seniors make great conversation with people they've never even met and there's never an awkward moment. Children these days have been brought up to steer away from strangers, that is good in some aspects but, you're not gonna make many friends that way.


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Re: Being a Well Liked Person

Postby Summerlander » 17 Jul 2014 08:06

We've definitely helped! :-)

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Re: Being a Well Liked Person

Postby HAGART » 17 Jul 2014 08:22

I forgot about the original post.

Striking up a conversation with a complete stranger on a bus, or elevator, or in a grocery store will surprise you. People are more friendly than you think. It's a good practice we should all encourage.
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Re: Being a Well Liked Person

Postby Summerlander » 24 Jul 2014 17:57

There is always a risk with every action. Then again, quoting the bad guy from the movie "Meltdown": "No risk, no reward." :-D

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Re: Being a Well Liked Person

Postby btifuldreamer » 25 Jul 2014 12:29

Thank Jeje :D I couldnt' be bothered to read all the post up til the last one, but from what i read it seems this post has turned into a debate about animal rights :lol: I'm an animal lover, own two dogs. I don't treat them as lesser creatures, i consider them family and love them. But anyways, i think something anyone should remember is what a simple "hey" can do. It can make someone's day when you simply say hey to a stranger. Don't be afraid. That's what i need to work on more, letting go of that fear of rejection. :geek:

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Re: Being a Well Liked Person

Postby HAGART » 25 Jul 2014 12:58

People are more friendly and open than you think they are.
We all went off on a tangent in your thread, trying to define "affection" and "friend" without realizing we were already friends, in the elevator of life.

This forum is the elevator and I hope we all go up! Take on new passengers and always say "hello!"
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Re: Being a Well Liked Person

Postby Summerlander » 26 Jul 2014 00:47

There is a lot one can glean from Rebecca's site. B-)

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Re: Being a Well Liked Person

Postby Je-Je » 23 Aug 2014 02:47

For me, i hate being solo or alone. I love being with people, i’m a friendly person.
I’m never at home, i spend all my time outside, and sometime i return home at 01:00 in the morning, but my dad hate that so he confiscates my motorbike. But i have a lot of friends, so sometime a friend come with his motorbike to take me. On Facebook, i have 8401 friends. Some people ask me how do you make a lot of friends so fast, and i reply; it's the way you think about people.
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