Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis
Posted: 17 Oct 2014 01:00
nesgirl wrote:It is not a terrible thing. It is an addiction. Someone I know was addicted to a drug, and thought it was a terrible thing to lose it, but finally got used to the fact that they could survive without it, and was able to get off of that drug.
Now, nesgirl, I didn't respond to your last response to me because, upon reading your post, I had the same profound realization that I had when I read over R99's last post in my "Does the Soul Exist?" thread: Some people just want to watch reason burn and there's no point in debating them because a preconceived idea has literally fused into their brain-stem. It's a waste of time and energy.
But I've had to hear this whole absolute nonsense about sexual activity being "addictive" so many times from you that I feel suddenly compelled to respond to that little pearl of wisdom for a variety of reasons--not the least among which being that you keep bringing up this anti-sexuality thing on an anti-religion thread.
First of all, if we're being excruciatingly generous here, your whole "metaphor" about drug addiction being comparable to sex absolutely does not work. Do you realize how insulting that is to people who have genuinely witnessed and suffered from addiction to a truly dangerous substance like methamphetamine? Drug addiction is a sickness that can totally destroy a person's life as a result of the detrimental nature of the drug. Contrarily, have you ever seen a person after they've had sex (clearly not)? They're relaxed, they feel fulfilled, they are simply content with being. They're not "disgusted" or "feel dehumanized." They feel love and contentment towards one another's existence. Comparing methamphetamine addiction to sex is laughable if not outright insulting. More enforcing evidence: A boy and a girl experience something called puberty, in which they feel this inexplicable inclination, this natural intuition or desire to have sex. Sex drive arises naturally during childhood development. Contrarily, I very seriously doubt that there has ever been a person on the face of the earth who has woken up one morning thinking, I really need to go try meth, right now. In fact, I NEED to. It's in my very NATURE to go try out meth. And this leads to my final, destroying point on this metaphor: Drugs are unnatural. Now you may be thinking to yourself, "Hey, marijuana is natural!" Marijuana is dismissed from your metaphor because it does not harm one's health, it does not destroy lives, and it is largely not addictive in natural--in fact it has many medicinal properties. But whether marijuana should be considered a bad or good thing is another argument entirely. The point is that drugs that are a big problem in our society are the unnatural ones. Sex is the absolute opposite! Sex is the perpetuation of the life and nature of complex organisms. Along with a multitude of other living, natural organisms, humans are inherently sexual creatures.
Sex is not addictive. At least not in the traditional sense. It is true that all humans (apart, of course, from asexuals) have a sex drive. But I would argue that this is a good thing, as it draws us humans together and lowers our feelings of prudishness and disdain towards one another. And even if sex was "addictive" in the sense that methamphetamine is, it would not harm people at all and actually would do the opposite.
nesgirl wrote:I don't get why you have to bash on your parents so much. WOW you 2 must hate your parents. I may be fierce rivals with my father and we get into heated arguments almost all the time because of our differences (actually he is a Democrat, so that would explain it), but still.
Summerlander has stated that he appreciated his mother despite all the things he mentioned. And I love both of my parents deeply. But that does not mean I am going to wrap myself in warm, fuzzy blankets of denial and ignorance over the fact that my childhood and psyche were seriously warped and damaged as a result of my parents's profound piety and dogmatism. I've had to struggle with crippling social anxiety, hatred of expressing emotions, closed-mindedness, rejection of science, and many other psychological wires that came loose as a result of the type of things I was exposed to (examples provided above). It is perfectly fine and healthy to critique anything and everything, and that includes discussing whether parenting methods were effective, what was wrong with them, what was right with them, etc. This is the only way you yourself can learn to be a better parent to your own offspring and a better member of society, in the case of having conservative psychopaths as parents.
You seem to think that criticism is indicative of hatred. That is almost as fascinatingly misinformed and ill-conceived as your fascist ideals of illegalizing procreation.
(Oh, and by the way, me criticizing your "anti-sex solution" is not me "hating" or "persecuting" you. You cannot play the victim card and use my criticism as an example of you getting hatred for being an asexual. I genuinely like your ideas about being personally anti-romance in the sense the you do not feel compelled by society to be a wholly sexual being, as much media purports and thrusts upon people. What I do not like, what does not hold water in the light of modernity and empathetic discourse, is you forcing those ideals upon others.
If you're so disgusted with people and their nasty, unnatural sexual habits, why don't you just leave them alone, eh? You're clearly the higher, more enlightened being. Just go be hermit.)