buildit wrote:I would first require anyone denying a soul should at least give a brief description of what they are calling a soul.
I'm referring to "the soul" that most people believe in today. That is, an immortal, spiritual/immaterial entity that controls your body from some kind of spiritual plane. Belief in a soul probably originated from ancient times when people didn't understand neurology or psychology and needed something to explain the emotions they felt and strange dreams they experienced.
R99 wrote:Nature is all about adapt and survive.
Not necessarily. Nature is simply what occurs in the universe as a result of physical laws. Unless you're referring to the biological ecosystem on earth, as the rest of your paragraph seems to suggest. Even then, that statement doesn't disprove anything I said.
R99 wrote:take mosquito for example. its there bcoz larger predator need them to survive like frog etc. u cannot compare animal to a human. there r both product of nature.
I don't know what you mean with this. But I think it's safe to say that a mosquito does not exist solely because purple martins and bats needs something to eat.
"You cannot compare an animal to a human. They are both a product of nature."
Wait ... they're both a product of nature. So why exactly can't I compare them?
R99 wrote:humans make money, fools someone or invent something and we call it intelligence.
Yes. To my mind, forming intricate societies based on merit/hardwork, and using problem solving and ingenuity to construct more efficient ways of doing things does
in fact suggest intelligence.
R99 wrote: then y cant we sense upcoming weather change, or natural disaster, plenty of animal species can sense it b4 us. isnt that make them intelligent too.
We're talking about intelligence, right? Here's an experiment I'd like you to conduct: Google search these three words--"weather forecast tomorrow."
Humans actually can know
upcoming weather changes, natural disasters etc. Animals' ability to "sense" things does not suggest intelligence.
R99 wrote:they can too make conversation to one another with their own language. even plants have memories (mimosa pudika aka sensitive plant).
So basically your whole argument here is that animals are just as intelligent as humans? Interesting.
R99 wrote:lets just say the one human is u, and the next human is ur Mother or father or whoever important to u, what will be ur decision. i really like to know ur answer.
You missed the point of my demonstration. I'll tell you what I would do: I'd scream for him to let me
go. I would not think. Perhaps in some part of my mind I'd delude myself with thoughts like, "Once he lets me go, I'll call the police and get help. Then we'll both be saved," or "Once he unties me, I'll attack him and free my Mother." But the fact of the matter is that the dark, primitive part of my mind which is concerned only with my own basic survival and well-being would want absolutely nothing more than for the torture to stop for me
. That was the point of my example.
Here, I'll provide another scenario:
Say you are aboard a ship with a hundred other people, when suddenly the ship crashes into a rock and begins to sink. You and all of the other passengers are thrown overboard--there is no time for life vests or anything at all. All of the people are thrashing about in a panic in the crowded waters in a tangled mess. Several people are trapped beneath all the flailing limbs and drown. The ship continues to sink, and as it totally submerges, it sucks people down to the depths with it. You are trapped under the water, trying desperately to reach oxygen. Flailing, panicked people kick you in the face and force you farther under. Now, as you start to slowly drown, you are NOT GOING TO THINK. You are going to become an ANIMAL, seizing desperately and viciously to survive. You are going to grab someone's leg and pull them down so that you can get up to the oxygen. You'd probably force their head underwater so that you could get higher up.
R99 wrote:its that experience, the emotions, the memories, the hope, the care for one another etc.... i believe every living thing have these.
Emotions, memories, and care for fellow humans all can and have been explained by neurology and psychology. Their origins are totally naturalistic.