Is there an afterlife?

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby deschainXIX » 10 Nov 2014 12:48

But all the evidence out there in combination with novice-level reasoning suggests the absence of any lingering consciousness after death. :D It simply makes no sense, and it defies everything we have figured out about biology and neurology in the last 100 or so years. We can even trace the origin of such primitive ideas as the afterlife. The reason these ideas have survived is because of blissful ignorance and wishful thinking. :)

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby Summerlander » 10 Nov 2014 16:05

^^ And this is all I'm pointing out besides emphasising the fact that the onus is on those who make tall claims with great certainty to provide something that will overthrow the conclusions that we've derived from what we have learned so far. If materialism (or physicalism) is false, and for whatever reason neuroscience points in the wrong direction, where is the solid case for this? I must agree with deschainXIX because last I checked science implies that we are biological robots who turn into empty shells at death. And what's more, we can malfunction while we are alive...

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby buildit » 10 Nov 2014 20:22

deschainXIX wrote:But all the evidence out there in combination with novice-level reasoning suggests the absence of any lingering consciousness after death.

Again, the lack of evidence is not a conclusive way to deny the presence of something. We lack evidence of life in space, yet we spend millions looking for it. People still report abductions even while older reports have been debunked.

deschainXIX wrote: It simply makes no sense, and it defies everything we have figured out about biology and neurology in the last 100 or so years. We can even trace the origin of such primitive ideas as the afterlife. The reason these ideas have survived is because of blissful ignorance and wishful thinking. :)

Everything defies what we know until we discover something new. :roll: We still look for earth like planets because these are the only conditions we know like can exist if....... until we discovered life in deep thermal vents where there was no light. Now we include planets with geothermal energy sources as possible homes for alien life. Life is not even nearly understood and you suggest we could even begin to fathom the requirements of an afterlife?
I should call you and Summertime the Ebenezer twins. :lol: I keep picturing the scene where the Ghost of Christmas past visits and he refuses to believe because a "foul morsel such thing can play tricks on the mind". As the poster on Agent Mulders wall said, "I want to believe". I can guess the poster on your walls reads, "I'll never believe."
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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby deschainXIX » 10 Nov 2014 21:04

Yep, that's what it says!
Except with one little important revision: "I will never believe anything that has no evidence to support it and has a whole world of evidence against it simply because I WANT it to be true."

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby buildit » 10 Nov 2014 21:42

deschainXIX wrote:Yep, that's what it says!
Except with one little important revision: "I will never believe anything that has no evidence to support it and has a whole world of evidence against it simply because I WANT it to be true."


I wonder how many told Madam Curie the same thing? What is most limiting in science is the inability to see new possibilities, becoming rigid in the safe and comfortable things we think we know and are familiar with. Do not sail past this point or you'll go off the edge of the world science said! Finding a coelacanth is a fools errand, they are extinct. :roll:
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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby deschainXIX » 10 Nov 2014 23:13

:lol: So at this point you're just starkly and shamelessly condemning the value of evidence, huh. There is a word for failing to construct belief upon evidence: delusional. You are really not worth having a realistic conversation with, are you? I think I realized that a long time ago; I'm only continuing discussion with you because it amuses me. :D
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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby buildit » 11 Nov 2014 00:12

deschainXIX wrote::lol: So at this point you're just starkly and shamelessly condemning the value of evidence, huh. There is a word for failing to construct belief upon evidence: delusional. You are really not worth having a realistic conversation with, are you? I think I realized that a long time ago; I'm only continuing discussion with you because it amuses me. :D


No, I condemn the act of not seeking evidence simply because it is not what you choose to believe. They call it denial.

I think after reading some of your other posts where you really seem to be trolling against others to argue with I should not comment to you anymore. If you have a social issue I hate to be an enabler to your psychological issues.

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Postby deschainXIX » 10 Nov 2014 16:36

chaosdragoon13 wrote:
Now listen to me, whatever god does is of no concern to you. You think god has to do everything for you? We humans have no right to judge our creator, god is the one and only god and has every right to treat us the way god wants.


Ergo God is an evil, tyrannical, Lovecraftian psychopath who I want nothing to do with.
Couldn't just say you disagree could you? :o
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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby deschainXIX » 11 Nov 2014 00:21

Well, read the other posts there. We were having a discussion about the Epicurean argument, see?
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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby Summerlander » 11 Nov 2014 16:07

There are many ways in which a person can disagree without saying the obvious. Also, Marie Curie made a scientific discovery based on theory and plausibility. It was an a priori and then a posteriori move. Science works this way, you see...

She discovered radium. Where is your so-called theory (or hypothesis) leading to discovery, buildit? Oh, that's right! It has already been given the benefit of the doubt and found to be untenable. It seems evidence points in the opposite direction (what we have been saying for so long). :roll:
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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby Philosopher8659 » 18 Feb 2015 01:53

That is on par with "are there numbers after numbers" and bang, we got transfinite numbers! Imagine that!. Now we can do the same thing with linearity, is there a line after a line, and I don't mean line segment. Bam transfinite lines! cool, we got string theory, which actually originated from canned spaghetti.

Now, if one understood language at all, one can ask the question from the foundation of language instead of creating a host of transfinite mythologies. If one has ever read the Platonic Dialogs, one might notice that often before Socrates starts a discussion, he will ask is the topic of a discussion a thing or not? Now why is that. It is because of the principles of predication, something far in advance of any course on grammar today.

We can name a thing, we can name the elements of a thing. Now the elements of a thing are not things. The naming convention of things is the Subject naming convention, the naming convention of a things elements is the Predicate naming convention.
So, we can equate the Subject naming convention to the Predicate naming convention, or we can deny equality. In the simple, assertion and denial.
A things elements, however, are not things. We can only name the elements, we cannot assert or deny of them. Predicates are of things, one cannot predicate of a predicate.

Now if life is a thing, surely we can predicate of it. And if Life is a thing, we can divide it both into material and form. Now we can talk of a life, which is a thing, just like we can talk of a line segment as a thing, we cannot call linearity a thing, it is a material difference. Similarly, we can speak of hours and minutes, days and years, but is there a time after time, a transfinite time? Well those in the big bang industry may be illiterate, but wise enough to con the public out of great sums of money, but give me a break, doesn't anyone study the real philosophers anymore?

So, you can either join the club of linguistic fallacy and do you transfinite mathematics, which might be called religion, or you can make a life with what you got.

I did hear once of a ghost asking if there was such a thing as life after death. Lucky for him, he was not alive to even formulate his own question.

Since a number is only a name in an ordered naming convention, I think I will wait for the sequel, Is there an alphabet after the alphabet. Golly wouldn't that be great, Transfinite English Grammar!


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