nesgirl and Summerlander

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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby Summerlander » 06 Jan 2015 00:43

I think there is definitely a difference in brain power amongst humans for sure, for how else does one explain that Hagart understood the context in which I used the word "inferior" and nesgirl and buildit still don't get it? Richard Dawkins was right when he talked about a spectrum where people like Einstein are at one end and Sarah Palins the other... :-D

How else is the word inferior to be interpreted in this case? Yes child abuse and racist cruelty exist bit most humans do not exhibit such behaviours. Fact. Also, the slavery analogy buildit just pulled there is absolute bull. At that time, the wrong people were in power and religion didn't do any favours when it reinforced the belief that black people where just animals or unclean spirits. On top of that, there was economic pressure that persuaded many to be in favour of slavery. But don't forget the abolitionists' success and the fact that the tables have turned. Slavery is now officially considered to be criminal. Buildit's analogy does not work because the notion that white people are superior to black people is simply a myth. It is wrong and there is no evidence for it.

But the fact that animals areinferior to us is quite telling. See? Two different cases. We are not talking about humans of different races. We are talking about humans and animals. But we should be judgemental about our own when making important decisions, eg. who do we want running the country? An educated man with his head in the right place or a psychotic thug with a penchant for narcotics?

There is no evidence that animals are capable of consciously lying either (some species appear to lie to predators but in actual fact it is merely a built-in behavioural proclivity by evolution). This is another misconception by buildit. Dogs following fingers is not evidence of superiority to chimps either. Again, this is instinctual behaviour "copied" down generations of selective breeding and evolution. One could have also erroneously argue that chimps are more independent in making decisions and use this to evidence their superiority.

It is rich of nesgirl to talk about discrimination when she'd rather save a kitten than a human being. Speciesist or what. Not to mention that she believes sexual people are ill and guilt of their urges.

I believe this case is closed. :-)

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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby DesertExplorer » 06 Jan 2015 17:57

That's terrible indeed.. I love women and black cats! :)

I guess we will need a little more time before the medieval style racists will vanish from earth. I hope so at least. :(

I think that even the most currently underdeveloped creatures evolve slowly in time passing, at least. Why not humans? :D
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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby DesertExplorer » 06 Jan 2015 20:26

nesgirl wrote:I can tell you sexism still exists. First of all, many religions require females to wear dresses and say a female's role is a house slave. Actually that one religion that says the guys get to create universes, females don't get to, although the guys have to be married to a female. The females are just stuck rearing the young and having kids assumed in the kitchen. Also it is tough to get jobs or take classes in that there aren't as many females in for a female, and you don't get paid as much. There is often fierce discrimination with it as well.
Oh and there are fierce sexist jokes as well. One of them that ticks me off that people think is funny is "Get back in the Kitchen." The Batman series is very famous for that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYAwn1-_ISc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeHUQAnzpF0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq57dcl7I3A
Racism can also be a problem in several ways, I can agree. And orientation is a problem, because while gays were stoned, I feel like aromantic asexuals were basically forced into it in the old times and raped, which to me is much worse than death. Handicaps also, because either they were persecuted and put to death (which is what I think happened with the salem witch trials), or they were locked into insane asylums, where they were beaten, mocked, and tortured until many just wished they were dead.


Oh, now.. I feel depressed again reading that. :((

I bet you have seen "The Crucible"? If not, I suggest you to do. It's a great movie! The one with Daniel Day Lewis.
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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby HAGART » 07 Jan 2015 00:04

nesgirl wrote:I think the others pretty much hate me now for being a bit of an animal supporter (they probably hated me from the start anyway because I am anti-romantic and always imagine a world without romance which is possible)


I think you're projecting your feelings onto others and only THINK that. Anyone who replies in this thread actually LIKES you Nesgirl! Not romantic, just feeling for you and want you to vent all you want and succeed in life in whatever makes you content. I never have a problem with you speaking your mind, especially in this thread when your name is in the title. I respect the fact that you don't hold back and speak your mind. You are a very strong, opinionated person and sometimes I just feel like a sheep and wish I was more outspoken like you!
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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby HAGART » 07 Jan 2015 04:18

nesgirl wrote:Eve Friend Zones Adam and she decides the snake is better friends than Adam and goes off to hang out with him instead. Personally I'd probably hang out more with a talking animal more than a guy if an animal was talking to me as well.


Most men are snakes so what's the difference? ;)
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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby DesertExplorer » 07 Jan 2015 16:12

HAGART wrote:
nesgirl wrote:Eve Friend Zones Adam and she decides the snake is better friends than Adam and goes off to hang out with him instead. Personally I'd probably hang out more with a talking animal more than a guy if an animal was talking to me as well.


Most men are snakes so what's the difference? ;)

And lizards! And lizards!! :D
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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby deschainXIX » 07 Jan 2015 20:18

:lol: And most women are spiders!

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Well said.

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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby DesertExplorer » 07 Jan 2015 21:25

deschainXIX wrote::lol: And most women are spiders!

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Didn't get it.. :roll:
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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby HAGART » 07 Jan 2015 22:29

Black Widow.....
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Re: nesgirl and Summerlander

Postby deschainXIX » 07 Jan 2015 23:53

I find it ironic that HAGART used "snake" as a derogatory insult on a thread in which speciesism and anthropocentrism were under such scrutiny and inquiry. What's wrong with being a snake, huh? Snakes are no lower than humans! ;) (I'm only joking, in case any of you get offended.)

Ah, and DesertExplorer, I was conducting an experiment. Referring to men as HAGART did is often met with banter and appreciation, but saying such things about women instantly kills the mood. Just something I've always found interesting. :D I didn't, however, see the joke in the "lizard! lizard!" bit. It seems we are both of us comedically inane--we all have our mental faculties. :)

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Well said.


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