This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby RedKryptonite » 17 Jan 2018 10:55

:lol: To be honest,I was predicting this was going to be your answer. I was right,we're on the same boat. :D

Why do you think most Atheists don't ever become Antinatalists? is it because they were simply never introduced to the idea and it never occurs to them the consequences of procreation?

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby Summerlander » 17 Jan 2018 11:56

Yes. Many were never introduced to the idea and others like the quixotic notion of preserving humankind until we finally reach the stars. :)

It's like some Darwinists supporting Social Darwinism as they erroneously believe that behaving on evolution's principle of survival of the fittest is what's 'morally right'. This is a terrible mistake because we can think of better ways to live our lives which are far divorced from nature's amoral madness.

An oil magnate might apply Social Darwinist tactics in his business to outdo his competition. But in life the rule that the strong have the right to crush the weak is unhealthy and unethical. We can all coexist by supporting one another.

I support Darwinism in the sense that much of it has been empirically verified. I do not condone Social Darwinism because I recognise nature is a horror show of predators and prey on a stage where morality is scarce.

You catch my drift? 8-)
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby RedKryptonite » 17 Jan 2018 12:32

Summerlander wrote:Yes. Many were never introduced to the idea and others like the quixotic notion of preserving humankind until we finally reach the stars. :)

It's like some Darwinists supporting Social Darwinism as they erroneously believe that behaving on evolution's principle of survival of the fittest is what's 'morally right'. This is a terrible mistake because we can think of better ways to live our lives which are far divorced from nature's amoral madness.

An oil magnate might apply Social Darwinist tactics in his business to outdo his competition. But in life the rule that the strong have the right to crush the weak is unhealthy and unethical. We can all coexist by supporting one another.

I support Darwinism in the sense that much of it has been empirically verified. I do not condone Social Darwinism because I recognise nature is a horror show of predators and prey on a stage where morality is scarce.

You catch my drift? 8-)

Yes,I do. :D

http://chirontraining.blogspot.com/2012/12/unnaturally-good.html

I could only imagine how horrible life would be if we had never moved past the ruthless "survival of the fittest" race. (that's not to say that life isn't still a painful race,because if it wasn't,we wouldn't be such advocates of Antinatalism now,would we? :mrgreen: )
Kind and compassionate people indeed make the world a little less painful.

I suppose you can say that is the one aspect of human nature that is beautiful,the power to defy our "supposed nature."

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby Summerlander » 17 Jan 2018 15:16

Absolutely. I couldn't resonate more. There are beautiful and awesome aspects about life. Happiness is a real phenomenon too. And indeed we can mitigate the pain of living. But antinatalism remains solid in my view. Moments of happiness are fleeting and the bad outweighs the good when we take into account a whole lifetime. Nobody is exempt from this simple fact. We should be glad that nobody gets out alive from this insidious nightmare.
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby RedKryptonite » 26 Mar 2018 09:47

Summerlander wrote:Absolutely. I couldn't resonate more. There are beautiful and awesome aspects about life. Happiness is a real phenomenon too. And indeed we can mitigate the pain of living. But antinatalism remains solid in my view. Moments of happiness are fleeting and the bad outweighs the good when we take into account a whole lifetime. Nobody is exempt from this simple fact. We should be glad that nobody gets out alive from this insidious nightmare.

Arlindo,I have to ask...when did you become an Antinatalist? was this something you realized a long time ago?

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby Summerlander » 27 Mar 2018 23:34

I wasn't an antinatalist as such until recently when I first heard of David Benatar and the extent of the philosophy behind it. But since my adolescence and when I first heard of overpopulation, I've always had this sense that people should strive to curb the birth rate. Ironically, later I would commit a pronatalist 'sin' by having kids.

Come to think of it, if I had read David Benatar's literature on antinatalism in my teens I probably wouldn't be a dad today. :shock:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby RedKryptonite » 28 Mar 2018 02:20

Summerlander wrote:Come to think of it, if I had read David Benatar's literature on antinatalism in my teens I probably wouldn't be a dad today. :shock:

I consider it a blessing(for lack of a better term)that I learned of all this early on. I'm Childfree to begin with,but if the day ever comes that I "change my mind" I would definitely adopt rather than have bio kids. You forgo all the risks and downsides that comes with procreation,and instead save a life. its a win-win. (well,provided you know how to raise them well and you don't get unlucky and get handed a kid with serious innate personality problems.)

Most likely though,I'll remain CF and simply donate to reliable charity orgs and orphanages if I manage to become wealthy enoug.

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby Summerlander » 28 Mar 2018 02:28

Yeah, I learned about it too late and now the only ethical thing I can do is to guide and protect my kids and avoid getting the wifey up the duff. :mrgreen:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby RedKryptonite » 28 Mar 2018 12:32

Summerlander wrote:Yeah, I learned about it too late and now the only ethical thing I can do is to guide and protect my kids and avoid getting the wifey up the duff. :mrgreen:

Ever considered a Vasectomy? Its the only way that I know of to ensure that it won't happen ever again,and possibly improve your sex life with your wife since you won't have to take precautions anymore. If you're having trouble finding a doc to do it for your,here's a link to some CF-friendly doctors. All thanks and provided for by the CF reddit sub. :D

https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/wiki/doctors

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby Summerlander » 28 Mar 2018 20:35

Yes, I considered the snip once but was put off by possible side effects. Now I just think I have low sperm count and pull out anyways. I've been using this method for nearly a decade and so far no more kids. I still run a risk. I know.
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava


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