This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby RedKryptonite » 26 Mar 2018 09:47

Summerlander wrote:Absolutely. I couldn't resonate more. There are beautiful and awesome aspects about life. Happiness is a real phenomenon too. And indeed we can mitigate the pain of living. But antinatalism remains solid in my view. Moments of happiness are fleeting and the bad outweighs the good when we take into account a whole lifetime. Nobody is exempt from this simple fact. We should be glad that nobody gets out alive from this insidious nightmare.

Arlindo,I have to ask...when did you become an Antinatalist? was this something you realized a long time ago?

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby Summerlander » 27 Mar 2018 23:34

I wasn't an antinatalist as such until recently when I first heard of David Benatar and the extent of the philosophy behind it. But since my adolescence and when I first heard of overpopulation, I've always had this sense that people should strive to curb the birth rate. Ironically, later I would commit a pronatalist 'sin' by having kids.

Come to think of it, if I had read David Benatar's literature on antinatalism in my teens I probably wouldn't be a dad today. :shock:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby RedKryptonite » 28 Mar 2018 02:20

Summerlander wrote:Come to think of it, if I had read David Benatar's literature on antinatalism in my teens I probably wouldn't be a dad today. :shock:

I consider it a blessing(for lack of a better term)that I learned of all this early on. I'm Childfree to begin with,but if the day ever comes that I "change my mind" I would definitely adopt rather than have bio kids. You forgo all the risks and downsides that comes with procreation,and instead save a life. its a win-win. (well,provided you know how to raise them well and you don't get unlucky and get handed a kid with serious innate personality problems.)

Most likely though,I'll remain CF and simply donate to reliable charity orgs and orphanages if I manage to become wealthy enoug.

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby Summerlander » 28 Mar 2018 02:28

Yeah, I learned about it too late and now the only ethical thing I can do is to guide and protect my kids and avoid getting the wifey up the duff. :mrgreen:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby RedKryptonite » 28 Mar 2018 12:32

Summerlander wrote:Yeah, I learned about it too late and now the only ethical thing I can do is to guide and protect my kids and avoid getting the wifey up the duff. :mrgreen:

Ever considered a Vasectomy? Its the only way that I know of to ensure that it won't happen ever again,and possibly improve your sex life with your wife since you won't have to take precautions anymore. If you're having trouble finding a doc to do it for your,here's a link to some CF-friendly doctors. All thanks and provided for by the CF reddit sub. :D

https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/wiki/doctors

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby Summerlander » 28 Mar 2018 20:35

Yes, I considered the snip once but was put off by possible side effects. Now I just think I have low sperm count and pull out anyways. I've been using this method for nearly a decade and so far no more kids. I still run a risk. I know.
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby RedKryptonite » 31 Mar 2018 17:44

Summerlander wrote:Yes, I considered the snip once but was put off by possible side effects. Now I just think I have low sperm count and pull out anyways. I've been using this method for nearly a decade and so far no more kids. I still run a risk. I know.

Well,at least the link is there should you ever need it. I wish you good luck :)

You know,I just posted a topic on reddit. Short-term Fostering is also one way to determine if you parenthood is for you:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fencesitter/comments/88gjuy/shortterm_fostering_a_good_idea_for_fencesitters/

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby Summerlander » 01 Apr 2018 04:12

Every potential or aspirant parent should undergo such short-term fostering 'trials'! Genius. :D
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby RedKryptonite » 01 Apr 2018 09:17

Summerlander wrote:Every potential or aspirant parent should undergo such short-term fostering 'trials'! Genius. :D

Yup. Parenting training programs give you all the essential information,and Short-term fostering allows you to practice the application of the principles/ideas taught in the training. Its the closest taste you can get to parenthood without taking up the permanent responsibility of actual parenthood. You gain actual live experience,so its not just to determine if you're up for the task,it is useful for gaining experience and refining your approach to parenting before you take up the permanent mantle. Not so different from real/legitimate martial arts/self-defense training,eh?

Should I ever gain the desire to adopt one day,this is how I would go about it. Start with fostering,and should I fall in love with some of the children in my care,I can take the next step and try to adopt them. (Granted,this won't always be possible)
Its a much better and safer approach than adopting right away. This way,you get a "trial period" to see if you have true compatibility with certain children under your care before making the permanent decision of adoption.

Ah...thought experiments like these are very interesting,aren't they? Putting all this into action would be a hell of a lot of work,and for something I'm not really interested in pursuing. Still,I feel its a very good idea to spread this idea. If parenthood is truly your calling,you WILL be willing to put up with all the work if you're interested whatsoever in raising your children well. but as for me,CHILD-FREE ALL THE WAY! :mrgreen:

Do you like playing with thought experiments yourself too from time to time? even for tasks you would never actually take up in real life.

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Re: This is why I support Genetic Engineering and Parenting training

Postby lucidé » 03 Apr 2018 06:13

Summerlander wrote:Every potential or aspirant parent should undergo such short-term fostering 'trials'! Genius. :D

I completely agree with that one.
Actually they used to have a program for teenage girls in high school due to the issue of teen pregnancy (I wish they still had it) where they had the girls carry a heavy pouch for a few days as if they were pregnant, then both the boys and girls took home an interactive baby doll that behaved like a real baby. You had to feed it, change the diaper, and rock it when it got grumpy. I was given a doll, and well, part of the time I had to hire a sitter, because I had a part time job. At least I didn’t take the doll to work unlike many parents. I had problems when it kept interrupting my lucid dreams and the inducing of them, and I mean constantly. I just rather not be a parent. Leaves me more time for multimedia and lucid dreaming. I would never kill a fetus to prevent parenthood (unless a time traveller from the future told me it was going to be the next Hitler).
An example of lucid dreaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW7ps_VSPkg (1:46 Is that me or is this me? "Am I still dreaming?") Simpsons example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3X1n5Yny3g


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