Dreams aren't just happening in your brain

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Re: Dreams aren't just happening in your brain

Postby lucidé » 15 Aug 2018 22:14

They must be referring to the wet ones or when you [email protected]&% yourself if a couple of your vital organs malfunction and you lose consciousness, then end up in a dream/lucid dream.
An example of lucid dreaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW7ps_VSPkg (1:46 Is that me or is this me? "Am I still dreaming?") Simpsons example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3X1n5Yny3g

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Re: Dreams aren't just happening in your brain

Postby Summerlander » 16 Aug 2018 02:02

The trouble with this reality is that it's not solid enough for humans to believe it in their hearts. People love dreams because they feel more powerful and real than reality itself when the truth is that dreams are only a reflection of themselves.

But let's forget about the psychological impact that reality has on us for a second. Let's look at the physics and metaphysics here. What are we surrounded by? A reality that can be quite illusory to our senses. For starters, it's not solid---it only appears to be so. It's a conglomerate of different forces at play following a set of constants that sprouted from the Big Bang.

And what do we observe? That despite the conservation of energy, stardust forms such as us have a lifespan. Even stars have lifespans. Nothing lasts and ultimately, the universe will undergo a cold end. The universe is not really undergirded by anything, it is even posited that it could collapse out of existence at any moment. The universe, as it seems to me, is a chaotic explosion that popped out of nothing because, in those days, there were no laws, therefore everything was permitted ...

Reality is stranger than fiction!
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Dreams aren't just happening in your brain

Postby lucidé » 16 Aug 2018 06:37

I believe that there are multiverses, and this universe is probably one out of an infinite amount of them. That doesn’t make it that significant if you consider multiverses will probably just continue to infinitely evolve. The technology and intelligence that happens in this universe will probably be completely insignificant about 100 universes in the future. Then their technology will probably be insignificant to future multiverses. This will continue infinitely.

FYI, there’s a topic in the beginner section where they are asking what are the differences between dreams and ghosts. You might want to debunk the ghost theory.
An example of lucid dreaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW7ps_VSPkg (1:46 Is that me or is this me? "Am I still dreaming?") Simpsons example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3X1n5Yny3g

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Re: Dreams aren't just happening in your brain

Postby Sleepyfrogman » 16 Feb 2019 08:57

Indeed I believe the mind has a gateway of sorts

I have had some years of experience lucid dreaming, at first i was met with fear. after having ignored and repressing my nightmares with substances i began to lay off when my body was degrading from alcohol abuse. I was forced to face my subconscious, and i found many levels that continued after the first obstacle of fear.
Most interestingly to me was at this one point, I had a dream that felt like nothing else. Like it was a dark future with very little left in it. In this dream I met a girl that was going through trash in a ruined area and she ended up bringing me to the people she was with. they were totally different feeling people. They didnt feel or seem like my mind's making. At this point I had been adept at configuring and understanding my subconscious plane.

It ended with one of the guys turning to me and asking "so how much do you really understand?"
In which I replied "not much."
Then I distinctly remember feeling like I had to leave but i think i told them I would be back. I know I can activate this dream again, I just also have had this overwhelming sensation that it would be a permanent dream.

Now get this, I go back to doing my thing, smoke weed.. Ignore the reality warping side effects of delving into the mind.

I go to Fairbanks, AK to live near my brother while he's in College for a little bit. One day im walking through down town with a joint and im enjoying the day. I sit at the bus stop and some guy my age walks up to me and says "Hey, I saw how you were walking and how you're typing, you've got music in your head right?"
He continues "I can tell cause im the same way."
I looked in his eyes, they looked just like mine. So we went for a walk and to talk
Interesting guy, very similar to me except one crucial difference.
He had never experienced pain or trauma, he had even stated his life was wonderful.

Now my life began with cancer, yet i survived, and continues to bless me with repeated abdominal surgeries.

that info is important for this next bit :

He asks me about the dreamscape.

He asks: "so have you ever been to the other place?"
I looked at him with serious skepticism and said "what other place"
He friggin grinned and yelled "youve been there! oh man!"
after he described the exact same place i had a dream of, except without the group of people, he continued to tell me that after he went there, there was a voice that told him not to go back because it was selfish.
I told him i heard no such voice, he then mumbled about the possibilities of whether or not im supposed to go.

That fateful encounter was branded deeply. I am unable to ignore the other side of this physical reality when I now have other dreamers calling it out.

So moral of my story is, Im actually a believer the subconscious world is if anything a collection of a collection of consciousness. So there's bubbles within bubbles. That's why i wouldn't call it a singular collective conscious. I think the moment you die, whichever frequency your mind is tuned to, positive or negative and by which degree, you'll appear in the collective conscious that truly responds.

Additionally just to toy around with free thought, given the block universe theory. If the past, present, and future exist simultaneously, shouldn't a visualization through awareness be possible? Or also even more wildly to be able to 'reincarnate' to a specific moment in one's personal timeline.
or if the me 10 years ago exists as i stand, then I should be able to sync up with his thoughts and replace him or at least alter the past by forcing the past me to think differently.

I too would like to hear if anyone can recount some interesting environments in their dreams..

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Re: Dreams aren't just happening in your brain

Postby lucidé » 18 Feb 2019 15:11

I had a rather interesting lucid experience with that one. While I don’t believe anything supernatural was involved (maybe a bit of coincidental dream spying), that lucid dream still interests me just because of at least what that disabled kid believed he saw that coincided with my lucid dream. I took a nap during a class on the couch and decided to fly to where they took their field trip in my lucid dream (used the WILD technique). Most of the time to the land humans I cannot be detected (only by animals and babies which usually makes for some interesting interactions). This time, one of the special kids was able to see me in my lucid dream. To me, that was interesting just because most land humans don’t usually try to create a conversation. He and I were talking with each other, and the teacher believes he is talking to an imaginary friend. I have to leave and wake myself up after a while though (this lucid dream I have to wake myself up in a specific way).

I am unsure why, but next day, same special kid in real life believes I was really there on the field trip saying I was there and even describes my dream clothes (most people wouldn’t know what I wear). Teachers accuse me of truancy and I end up going to the office and asking the couseler there for a look at the security cameras in that classroom. They show me sleeping on the couch. If there were any bilocation happening, the cameras would have shown it, but they didn’t. Therefore there was nothing supernatural happening.

I have had dream meshing before happen with other lucid dreamers where we describe the same location oftentimes based off a real life location. Sometimes we’d even both describe what we were dream spying on.

I don’t believe the mind is that type of gateway, but with my lucid dreams, I have had an insane amount of luck and I have seen users before with that type of luck in other subjects in the past. The insane good luck I have in lucid dreams more than makes up for the horrifying Jinxed luck I have in real life.
An example of lucid dreaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW7ps_VSPkg (1:46 Is that me or is this me? "Am I still dreaming?") Simpsons example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3X1n5Yny3g


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