Lucid Dreamers and God

For those who wish to discuss the purely scientific aspects of sleep and dreams, including new research and future technologies.

Have you ever tried to communicate with God in the phase state (LD/OOBE/AP)?

Yes, and I was successful
5
9%
Yes, but nothing happened
2
4%
Yes, but what was encountered was a product of my mind
7
12%
No, but I am willing to try
28
49%
No, and I'm reluctant to try out of fear
0
No votes
No, and I never will (I'm an atheist who doesn't see any point)
15
26%
 
Total votes: 57

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby HAGART » 08 Oct 2014 02:37

Summerlander wrote:I've got Hagart's Disease. Look, I've done it again.


In case others don't get it, I'm The Editor In Chief! I'm a Master Editor. That's Hagart disease. ;)

Peter wrote:I have a natural tendency to bate

I don't want to imagine what Peter is the Master of... :lol:


Reading my own dreams and hearing others, including nesgirls, it further demonstrates my theory: We dream what we believe and then believe what we dream until it becomes a cycle. Step away like R99 did and try and disbelieve everything. What are you left with? How will you make choices in the future once you scrap it? Will you spontaneously create new ones? Can we live without beliefs, and prejudice, and assumptions of any kind? Is it even possible?
If we all lucid dreamed this world would be a better place.

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Peter » 08 Oct 2014 05:51

Very good :)
Who are you I asked, the reply "dont be silly, we are your daughers" many years before they were born

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby R99 » 08 Oct 2014 06:42

Who said i disbelieve everything. i believe in Universe , it have many secrets to revel to us. and we r so ignorant to realize it. the religion says stick with them follow the rules the god the almighty going to save us. this concept is not going think for us. look at the world now , what it done to our world. lack of free thinking lead to us this dreadful world. i want to be free at least in my mind. i have my reasons. i dont think anybody could understand it. except my few friends..

Dont let Religion said to u that its the only way. think outside the box. hurt nobody. be nice to everybody. and think 4 urself.
"A curious mind cannot be afraid of Unknown. It searches for the answers untill the end of time."

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 08 Oct 2014 12:12

R99 wrote:Dont let Religion said to u that its the only way. think outside the box. hurt nobody. be nice to everybody. and think 4 urself.


Well said! :)

nesgirl wrote:You know that many men will ditch a female if they find out they caused a female to reproduce. And you don't realize how much HARDER it is on the female to go through that.


Yeah, I know. But this is only an evolutionary strategy begotten by natural selection. Female gametes are larger (eggs) and less numerous than male gametes (one man can hold gazillions of sperm cells). There is also a very limited number of times a woman can give birth compared to how the male can really germinate the population by spreading his seed. A man can seek multiple partners and procreate by the thousands. Think of it this way: the philanderer who constantly abandons his pregnant females will have a greater chance of effectively spreading and ensuring the survival of his genes than the faithful who will only only reproduce a dozen times, at the most, in his monogamous relationship. The faithful is, in effect, being more wasteful of the spermatic jillions in his testes. 8-)

The philanderer is morally wrong, of course, but what he does is certainly evolutionarily productive. The monogynist does his genetic propagation no favours by comparison. The philanderer will also pretend to be a monogamist to those females who look for long-term commitment. We may also flip the coin in that some women have evolved an intuition for weeding out philanderers and welcoming only faithful men. A good strategy that is often employed by these females is playing hard to get. If the man sticks around, he is faithful and committed. The philanderer will not waste time as this is detrimental to the prolific propagation of his genes. He will seek gullible women. :mrgreen:

As for me not realising how much harder it is for women...nesgirl, my parents are divorced, my father cheated and he was a degenerate gambler, too. I was practically raised by my good mother. :D

nesgirl wrote:Do you not remember back in grade school, we learned a little something called personal space? And in fact it should apply to all genders. If you wish to look and behave like a civilized citizen out in public, and not have the public look at you weird, you need to follow those rules. And everyone needs to learn the basic elementary school rule of keep your hands and feet to yourself.


Sometimes people wish to have their personal space invaded, nesgirl. :mrgreen:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Peter » 08 Oct 2014 20:26

We could live life keeping our personal space


One view and their are a lot of people in happy relationships as well. We cant dismiss them from the debate
Who are you I asked, the reply "dont be silly, we are your daughers" many years before they were born

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 08 Oct 2014 21:53

I agree with Peter. A lot of people are happy in their relationships and human beings don't usually think about their genes in future generations being more numerous and successful over other individuals'. This happens in evolution naturally and without living beings needing to be aware of this. We are usually more concerned with morality.

I take your points, too, nesgirl, they are indeed valid and bear some truth. We may not totally see eye to eye but I enjoy our conversations and am quite happy to debate about cloning and a possible asexual solution to many of the problems we have.

A few years ago I heard about a man, a philanderer, who was arrested once it was found that he had fathered about 200 kids and had not supported any of them. They were in their 20s/30s by the time their father was nabbed. None of the mothers had gone off the rails and murdered or harmed their offspring. Sure, some mothers find it overbearing and lose it, but such incidents are not as common as you think. Philanderers can have thousands of progeny everywhere. A few may died before they are old enough to procreate themselves, but, the philandering father will still be ahead of the monogamous male in the battle of the genes. Just thought I'd point that out. Let's also remember that monogamous relationships can go horribly wrong, too, and one of the parents can lose it.

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 08 Oct 2014 22:42

Indeed. I can't argue with that. Both polygamists and monogamists have factors working against them. Maybe artificial insemination is the best bet while we are still sussing out this cloning biz to perfection. Well said.

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- Padmasambhava

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby HAGART » 09 Oct 2014 01:02

What are we talking about again? I don't know anymore!

I just have nightmarish visions of Lorena Bobbitt now.... :lol:
If we all lucid dreamed this world would be a better place.

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby R99 » 09 Oct 2014 04:38

:? WER R WE AGAIN?
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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 09 Oct 2014 09:29

I disbelieve in deities. I have encountered hooded beings before, though.

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- Padmasambhava


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