Lucid Dreamers and God

For those who wish to discuss the purely scientific aspects of sleep and dreams, including new research and future technologies.

Have you ever tried to communicate with God in the phase state (LD/OOBE/AP)?

Yes, and I was successful
5
9%
Yes, but nothing happened
2
4%
Yes, but what was encountered was a product of my mind
7
12%
No, but I am willing to try
28
49%
No, and I'm reluctant to try out of fear
0
No votes
No, and I never will (I'm an atheist who doesn't see any point)
15
26%
 
Total votes: 57

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Derpybunneh
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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Derpybunneh » 29 Nov 2014 18:25

deschainXIX wrote:Derpybunneh, look at what you're saying. Observe it, dissect it, and think about it for yourself. FOR YOURSELF--that's the important part.

"Scripture is proof." "The book is not a lie."
These are dogmas that have been drilled into your skull so deep that you do not question them anymore. They are preconceived notions, pure ideas that have no evidence or reasoning behind them to state that they are true. You're saying, "I believe what I believe because the scripture is correct, and the scripture is correct because the scripture is correct," and, "The book is not a lie because I have lived my entire life by the book, and it's fallacy would mean my entire life has been a lie."

If we can accept things without evidence, where are we exactly? If we can accept without evidence, why do you discount Islam? Or Methodism? Or Hinduism? I can make whatever claim I like, and you cannot refute me because having evidence doesn't matter to you. The Easter bunny is real. I can fly like Superman (but only when no one is looking). Et cetera...

Do you not see the flaw in your mindset?

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Plah, science. You must have evidence for everything. Blech. Well, somethings things are true, but there is no physical evidence for it. The evidence comes from a spiritual source. These ideas aren't drilled very deep in my head, because I still question them or think I want to advert from this religion of mine. But I believe the book Joseph Smith translated is true, without much physical evidence. You don't need physical evidence to believe.

That's way science is annoying. You must have physical evidence; seeing is believing. < blech blech blech.

My belief is seeing is NOT believing.
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DREAMS: 9000+

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deceit in the history of science.” Søren Løvtrup

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby deschainXIX » 29 Nov 2014 19:24

Fine, then.

I'm God. By your reasoning, you now have to unquestioningly worship me. You cannot refuse. :D

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Well said.

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Derpybunneh » 29 Nov 2014 20:10

deschainXIX wrote:Fine, then.

I'm God. By your reasoning, you now have to unquestioningly worship me. You cannot refuse. :D

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LOL
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DREAMS: 9000+

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deceit in the history of science.” Søren Løvtrup

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 30 Nov 2014 03:08

Me and DeschainXIX tried, Derpy! We tried hard and you can't take that from us. If only me and DeschainXIX had written the Bible of Atheism and gave it to you when you were a child whilst proclaiming it to be the absolute truth. One day you might look back and think, "Those two were dead right." :-D

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby HAGART » 30 Nov 2014 22:27

I didn't see any personal attacks. Only words, taking what was said and turning them around to prove a point, and argue an issue like a good debater. This was actually very civil compared to other places on the internet! ;) If anyone should be offended by what Summerlander has said it would be Joseph Smith, not Derpybunneh.

I will now use simple words to make my point:

IF this is true:
Derpybunneh wrote:1 Nephi 8:2, "And it came to pass that while my father tarried in the wilderness he spake unto us, saying: Behold, I have dreamed a dream; or, in other words, I have seen a vision."

Dreamed a dream. That part is redundant. The English in Joseph Smith's time would not be like that. It would be more like this, "I had a dream." The scripture above is proof that JS (Joseph Smith) did not make the book up.


THEN my dream must be true:
HAGART (July 19, 2014) (page 1 of this thread) wrote:Then suddenly from around a corner a person showed up. He was short and heavyset, wearing a black, sleeveless muscle shirt, and had red hair and was clean shaven. Not an attractive guy, a little geeky, but cool, and I got the feeling he was into biker culture.

Me: "Are you God?"
DC: "I am your God."


I have just proven that there is indeed a God, and as I have suspected my entire life, he's a biker! 8-)
Why do you laugh? Prove me wrong.
If we all lucid dreamed this world would be a better place.

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 01 Dec 2014 02:07

Hagart's lucid dream.has more chances of being a revelation than Smith's written verbal diarrhoea. :-D

By the way, nesgirl, if you are referring to Stalin just know that he didn't commit his atrocities in the name of disbelief in God (how one could do this is beyond me). He did it in the name of his brand of Marxism. Another doctrine of a political nature. And for those who continue to use Stalin as some sort of argument against atheists, know this: Vladimir Putin, who is a devout member of the Russian Orthodox Church, has pretty much registered Stalin as one of their own in a posthumous fashion. And to show his great admiration for the former dictator, Putin even has pictures of him in the Kremlin with a halo around his head. So now Stalin is a religious or divine figure that Russians should look up too. The memory of Stalin can no longer be considered secular.

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 04 Dec 2014 19:33

Some scientific discoveries will give birth to inventions that will either be used for good or ill. Sometimes both. But one thing is for sure. One cannot take back a discovery and science has done a lot to improve our lives. Without science, nesgirl, you would not be socialising online right now. Another point I'd like to make: Don't blame the inventor, blame the user...

A kitchen knife was made to be a utensil for the kitchen, not a murder weapon. Likewise, the intention behind hospitals is benign despite the fact that many mistakes are made and people die in them. But they have saved lives...

I'd also like to see an example of where unbelief, namely atheism, has been used to kill people. It does not make any sense to me. All I see is atheists merely pointing out the lack of evidence. They don't carry out crusades or jihads, my dear girl.

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 04 Dec 2014 21:01

Erm... nesgirl...without science you could not have technology. Without computer science, for instance, you wouldn't have the Internet right now. You are fighting a losing battle in epistemology. :-D

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 06 Dec 2014 04:11

Here is a Daniel Dennett quote from "Breaking The Spell":

"Mammals, for instance, are hosts to trillions of parasites. (Yes, right now, no matter how healthy and clean you are, there are trillions of parasites of thousands of different species inhabiting your gut, your blood, your skin, your hair, your mouth, and every other part of your body. They have been rapidly evolving to survive against the onslaught of your defences since the day you were born. Before a female can mature to reproductive age, her parasites evolve to fit her better than any glove. (Meanwhile, her immune system evolves to combat them, a standoff - if she is healthy- in an ongoing arms race.) If she gave birth to a clone, her parasites would leap to it and find themselves at home from the outset. They would be already optimised to their new surroundings. If instead she uses sexual reproduction to endow her offspring with a mixed set of genes (half from her mate), many of these genes - or, more directly, their products, in the offspring's internal defences - will be alien or criptic to the ship-jumping parasites. Instead of 'home sweet home,' the parasites will find themselvez in terra incognita. This gives the offspring a big head head start in the arms race."

With asexual reproduction or cloning as opposed to sex you give the game away to parasites who will "suss" you out in time. Sexual teproduction is better and there is a reason there are more of us sexuals. We survive better. :-)

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- Padmasambhava

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Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 07 Dec 2014 03:09

Look, I'm not going to have an argument with you about evolutionary biology, we already did that in "Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis." By saying that Joey is a moron, are you ridiculing sexuality deliberately?

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