Lucid Dreamers and God

For those who wish to discuss the purely scientific aspects of sleep and dreams, including new research and future technologies.

Have you ever tried to communicate with God in the phase state (LD/OOBE/AP)?

Yes, and I was successful
5
9%
Yes, but nothing happened
2
4%
Yes, but what was encountered was a product of my mind
6
11%
No, but I am willing to try
28
50%
No, and I'm reluctant to try out of fear
0
No votes
No, and I never will (I'm an atheist who doesn't see any point)
15
27%
 
Total votes: 56

User avatar
Summerlander
Posts: 4331
Joined: 22 Sep 2011 19:52

Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 08 Dec 2014 02:18

But is the incomprehensibility of an individual a good reason to mock him? What if it is in his nature to be an erotomaniac? This is something Joey can't help but feel. He will experience sexual attraction against his wishes and a nagging voice in his brain, as it were, will stoke the "she feels the same way" wish-thinking. Because of this, he may even believe the girl is giving him the green light as the mind imagines all sorts of excuses in support of his dream, eg. "I've just caused her to discover the sexuality she thought she didn't have."

I don't think ridicule or hatred is the way. You are discriminating against someone's nature (even if Joey is fictitious). All one needs to do is make Joey understand that people feel differently and dreams and reality are two separate things. Come on, nesgirl...

There is no God... :-(

[ Post made via Android ] Image
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

User avatar
Summerlander
Posts: 4331
Joined: 22 Sep 2011 19:52

Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 08 Dec 2014 17:03

Erm... you mean Enra Traz's future. :-)

[ Post made via Android ] Image
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

Enra Traz
Posts: 313
Joined: 28 Nov 2014 10:55

Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Enra Traz » 09 Dec 2014 04:01

I am and have always been Summerlander. Now that I have revealled this, my wife can use this account in the future if she so wishes. :-P

I also think there isn't much point in visiting God in lucid dreams. lol!

[ Post made via Android ] Image

User avatar
Summerlander
Posts: 4331
Joined: 22 Sep 2011 19:52

Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 09 Dec 2014 04:20

It was my future, where cloning is outlawed. ;-)

[ Post made via Android ] Image
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

Enra Traz
Posts: 313
Joined: 28 Nov 2014 10:55

Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Enra Traz » 09 Dec 2014 11:52

I love darkmatter2525! I'll have to check out those videos. Gimme time! And I've got nothing against asexuals. :-)

[ Post made via Android ] Image

Enra Traz
Posts: 313
Joined: 28 Nov 2014 10:55

Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Enra Traz » 13 Dec 2014 14:11

Very funny videos. "Power Corrupts" was a favourite of mine where Yahweh rules our simulated universe in a futuristic matrix-like test! Wow!

[ Post made via Android ] Image

Philosopher8659
Posts: 127
Joined: 14 Feb 2015 07:14
Location: Michigan

Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Philosopher8659 » 15 Feb 2015 03:44

Actually, what men call God started working with me. I did not know it at the time. I taught myself to lucid dream when I was about 8, before it hit the press, back about 1958.
My life has been deliberately saved, in real time which was unbelievable.
I was taught about what is going on in history and with man. Man is being altered for a specific purpose, to maintain and promote life. I am also learning a new language, an analog language. It is basic analog mathematics. One can actually construct, with a simple straight edge and compass, algebraic equations. The glyphs can even project the curves of the equations. I post my learning, my understanding along with the development of the language on the Internet Archive, under johnclark8659.
What men call God, are actually servants of God. God, the only power a mind can ever know, is the principles of language effecting will.
I believe that mankind is in the rudimentary stages of telepathy. We are spoken to in the analog branch of language, one because it is not understood as language, two because it is the foundation of all language, and three, both logic and analogic must reside in pairs, either one cannot stand alone for understanding.
The mind is responsible for human behavior. It is wholly linguistic by function. Therefore, human behavior, human will, can only be commensurate with the principles of language functionally resident in the mind.
Lucid dreams are an analog language, so are visions, Christ performed analogically, the miracles were actually exampling analog language.
As the only power a mind can have is functional language, it is the only thing a mind can really strive for, for improvement. However, the principles of language are not actually known, or understood. I have been trying to change that.

I tried to get others interested in the work, but never found anyone to help me with it. Now it seems I am beyond it. I am just an old guy now.
By what I just said, one should now understand what it means to be in the image of God. A equals A. Until the mind is functional linguistically, man is proto-linguistic. Or, as some writers in the Book state, we are still being created.

User avatar
Summerlander
Posts: 4331
Joined: 22 Sep 2011 19:52

Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 15 Feb 2015 11:53

God is "...the principles of language effecting will"? That is like calling a baby's post-babble "God." If you mean god in the poetic or pantheistic sense like Einstein or Spinoza when they referred to the universe or nature itself, I can understand. But I must agree with Dawkins that the pantheistic vernacular can be misleading and tempts many to believe in intelligent design or creationism.

The proto phenomenon that leads to language is the product of the blind forces of nature. It is not the God of religious scripture let alone some divine plan. It is not a living intelligent supernatural being who intervenes in human affairs for His amusement.

There is no evidence that God exists. None whatsoever.

[ Post made via Android ] Image
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

Philosopher8659
Posts: 127
Joined: 14 Feb 2015 07:14
Location: Michigan

Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Philosopher8659 » 15 Feb 2015 13:57

Apparently you cannot think by definition.
An animal looks at god as the biggest, badest animal, but a rational mind thinks in this wise.

Language is the only power a mind can have, know or perform. Therefore,

In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God, and the Word was God.

I see you cannot actually understand what was written. As a thing is not different from itself, and the all mighty, and all powerful, is language, than God is Truth. Easy metaphors.

The tipping point between an animal psychology, is "do you worship the golden calf"? I.e, the animal of great value, or do you worship truth? i.e. functional language?

The human race is young, during evolution this point in psychology will also come to pass. It was echoed in Plato's Truth is independent of gods and men, and in psychology based on doing one's own work. Confucius's rectification of names, without it man does not know what to do, ie. language in Truth is God. Currently man is proto-linguistic. Bordering between two distinct psychologies. Take the animal out of man by teaching him what he is, what he is for, and how to do his own work. Then you understand God not as an animal, but as a man.

Today, all governments are based on animal aggressive power, not on the shaping of human will through personal psychological development. That is why education really has the short end of the stick.

You cannot work for a better tomorrow, if you have no idea where you are at today.

Look up my essay on the Internet Archive, the Difference between Man and beast. You will see how language was used to seal the Book, because language is the only power a mind has, can understand, or wield. Think about this, you can reject any particular golden calf, any particular religion based on an animated god, but you cannot reject being rational, you can only be a rational reject.

If someone tells you to learn judgment, and then says that they are truth and the only god there is, do you divide your mind because you cannot judge, or do you see the metaphor, as a rational mind would? Do you see the simile in multis, the similar idea as a function of language, or do you seek just something to tell you what to do. Language is for the production of human will, it is not for its destruction. God is not a foolish animal.

There are two forms of linguistic usage, thinking by enumeration, which is proto-linguistic, and thinking by definition. Currently, mankind generally does not know the difference. In my work, I point it out, step by step. There is a great psychological distinction between the two, some psychology books ponder about the difference because not even their authors understand it.

History is guided by servants of God, God as a functional psychology. It is, however, a psychology sealed to understanding while the animal psychology rules.

A sapient psychology, understanding that its only power is language, does his best to comprehend it, it is his tool. Language is based on a Two Element Metaphysics, being explored by some early Greeks, and even in the Judeo-Christian Scripture, is denoted as Two Tablets of Law. Logic and Analogic. They must be understood and paired, like a formal demonstration. So, we seek our education as the same, because it is true, perception determines conception, conception determines will. Or in a metaphor, a dark saying, The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are One.

User avatar
Summerlander
Posts: 4331
Joined: 22 Sep 2011 19:52

Re: Lucid Dreamers and God

Postby Summerlander » 16 Feb 2015 01:19

Plato was simply wrong in assuming that by understanding one fundamental one can understand all. I also don't do metaphors to explain or evidence anthropic concepts such as the Biblical celestial Boss who is clearly painted as having human emotions. They also say God is everywhere and yet the word clearly isn't. Humans are the only species on Earth that have language, the only beings that understand the imperious "ought" that marks our conscience and define will, motivation etc.

So, what you choose to call "God" I don't see it as such. In fact I don't even see God as a man either - I don't see Him period! :mrgreen:

In the beginning there was word? What is this medieval babble? Genesis? In the beginning, way before Earth was conceived (let alone thought of), there were quantum fluctuations that propagated space and time in an epic "bang" because, quantum-mechanically speaking, the probability for something (initially lifeless) to arise was unimaginably great. No gods or deities required (physical, like the Tertullian way, metaphysical, or otherwise).

Life had to wait a good few billion years after the Big Bang. And then you came along and quote scripture written by philistines as if that proves something. I can tolerate and understand Spinoza's pantheism, or Thomas Paine's deism, which are venial given the epochs in which these two fine gentlemen lived in - but metaphors to substantiate dubious postulates? No. You are wondering why people ignored your idea. I'm not.

[ Post made via Android ] Image
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava


Return to “Dream Science”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest