Life after death?

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Re: Life after death?

Postby Summerlander » 12 Oct 2014 01:10

Well, I'm not going to repeat the reasons why the afterlife is so obviously untenable to me (I feel like I have done it a thousand times) but I will evince here why I wouldn't even want it to be true... ;-)

To be eternally conscious, in the sense of awareness that we are so familiar with (anthropic principle comes to mind), is to be gradually absorbed by an insidious, living hell. Soon you get bored once novelty dies. Infinite time means that you get to do everything you can conceive of an infinite number of times. As if this isn't enough to drive you potty, imagine having to think the same thing over and over again. You would be telling yourself, "I've done this before, I've thought this before, get me outta here..."

Your mind becomes a prison. You learn that once novelty dies consciousness leads to tedium and insanity. You would beg for a swift death guaranteed! The only way we can live forever is if we forget the past, if our memories work against us, in which case there is not much point in eternal life if you forget most of it for the sake of keeping novelty alive.

The truth is more economical: you only live briefly against cosmic time. (And you'll be lucky to remember everything that happens in this brevity - unlucky if you become demented in old age.)

This is the only life one can be sure of. So live like it is the only one because I'm willing to bet my life that it is! B-)

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Re: Life after death?

Postby Summerlander » 12 Oct 2014 02:19

Touche! So, dead means dead and we should be glad that it is so. It's a blessing in disguise... :-D

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Re: Life after death?

Postby Summerlander » 12 Oct 2014 02:52

Yeah. Btw, soon you will have a reply on the "religion-politics: Iraqi crisis" thread. Just been busy lately. Catch you later. Sweet lucid dreams full of deities! B-)

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Re: Life after death?

Postby buildit » 12 Oct 2014 03:05

Summerlander wrote:Yeah. Btw, soon you will have a reply on the "religion-politics: Iraqi crisis" thread. Just been busy lately. Catch you later. Sweet lucid dreams full of deities! B-)

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I like this bet because if I'm right you have me reminding you how wrong you were for eternity, if I'm wrong well it's a shallow victory for you. :lol:
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Re: Life after death?

Postby buildit » 12 Oct 2014 04:00

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buildit wrote:
Summerlander wrote:Yeah. Btw, soon you will have a reply on the "religion-politics: Iraqi crisis" thread. Just been busy lately. Catch you later. Sweet lucid dreams full of deities! B-)

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I like this bet because if I'm right you have me reminding you how wrong you were for eternity, if I'm wrong well it's a shallow victory for you. :lol:

Unlike Summerland, for me, it is more of a coveted desire, not a belief.
I have issues like I said earlier that I don't want to be stuck with for eternity.
You are lucky, you may not deal with things in life that literally do make you want to escape to your Lucid Dreams and Multimedia Designs, but even then, that isn't enough.

I have real issues I deal with. You think I want to be stuck doing this for eternity, think again. I feel guilty enough when these things happen in reality, and I don't want eternal guilt on my shoulders:
Yes sometimes because of my mood swings I can literally be like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lcck2lJHLg or like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NPc08-BWvg (this mood swing causes me to have insomnia) If I have certain mood swings I can sometimes act like a complete jerk, which when I realize I am, I feel really bad about it.



Well, I do understand your reasoning on this. I actually know who your polar bear is.... :oops:
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Re: Life after death?

Postby Summerlander » 12 Oct 2014 11:09

Well, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. But I doubt I am. For me it isn't about victories. It is more about staying on the side of what is evident, factual, and true.

I cannot readily believe in something for which there is no evidence.

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Re: Life after death?

Postby buildit » 12 Oct 2014 13:10

Summerlander wrote:Well, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. But I doubt I am. For me it isn't about victories. It is more about staying on the side of what is evident, factual, and true.

I cannot readily believe in something for which there is no evidence.


I might believe you believe in theories that conform to a pre existing set of standards you have. Outside that set of standards are monsters and just like the numerical monsters are hard to accept in our real world.

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Editor Mark Giesbrecht Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
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Re: Life after death?

Postby Summerlander » 12 Oct 2014 13:29

LOL! Buildit, rather than focusing on non-sequitur pseudo-analogies, ponder more on your Carl Sagan quote. :mrgreen:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

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Re: Life after death?

Postby buildit » 12 Oct 2014 21:42

Summerlander wrote:LOL! Buildit, rather than focusing on non-sequitur pseudo-analogies, ponder more on your Carl Sagan quote. :mrgreen:


I have and decided my life is too short to make decisions on what to ignore just because it doesn't fit my world view.
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Re: Life after death?

Postby Summerlander » 14 Oct 2014 00:44

But you are doing exactly that. You are ignoring that which doesn't fit your worldview. Only what you ignore is based on science, reason and facts.

Brain malfunction can give rise to agnosias where an individual can fail to recognise faces, objects or colours. We can also lose the power of speech, sight, audition etc. etc. All mental faculties can be affected via changes in the brain...

And yet you probably believe that once you are dead, and thus your brain completely destroyed, you will be able to SEE your deceased loved ones, to HEAR them greet you, to RECOGNISE their faces, to UNDERSTAND them, to discern colours in some heavenly realm, and to be more CONSCIOUS than a living person in deep dreamless sleep when their brain is in delta mode.

Keep dreaming, buildit! :-D

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