Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby Snaggle » 29 Jan 2015 10:39

deschainXIX wrote:As in the case of the questionable ethos of universal DNA databases (for law enforcement purposes), I don't really see why people have a problem with government mind reading. As long as they can't convict you for what they find or use it for actionable information. They would only do it to search for terrorist activity, just like watching the internet. If you're not planning on taking up any criminal activity, what's the pragmatic case against solidarity? Just seems like paranoia to me...

Probably, though, in reality, I would feel just as uncomfortable as you all being under surveillance. *neutral shrug*


Hint DNA databases: our government developed the bio-weapons to kill off the individual racial stocks two generations ago. I've been lol recently when they've been hinting in the news they might develop them [one of my relatives was the mad scientist that developed one of them]. I don't know if they have targetted ones right now, but the odds are they have them for all the races that make up the big three racial stocks and the more DNA data they collect the more certain it is that they'll be able to kill small groups, families and individuals with it. As I said to Summerland don't let them herd you into the big cities as they're doing ;)

You've also obviously missed the real Snowden leaks that the NSA spying is being done for the corporations and not to caught criminals. Do you really want corporations to know exactly how much you make, your assets and expenses and then decide how much they're going to charge you. To spy on and steal, sabotage or kill any inventors inventing something useful or threatening their existing business.

Ignoring that everything they're going is unconstitutional and against the public good, that the supreme law of America is the constitution and that anyone in or out of government violating it both a criminal and a traitor.
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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby Summerlander » 29 Jan 2015 11:22

Yeah, but, Snaggle, you also told me Hitler was an atheist ("Religion & Politics: Iraqi Crisis"). Anyway, yes, there is a difference between lucid dreaming and astral projection. In the latter, the individual doesn't know he's dreaming. :-D

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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby deschainXIX » 29 Jan 2015 18:55

@nesgirl: I specifically addressed Orwellian thoughtcrime in my post, and you even quoted it. "As long as they can't convict you for what they find or use it as actionable information." But, yes, you've realized the problem with convicting someone of thoughtcrime. We don't have much control over our actions, but we have even less control over our minds. We can thank the subconscious for that. But the fun side of thought is that it doesn't affect anyone else. If a randomized "thought survey" alerts the authorities to a suburbian teenager masturbating to the thought of blowing up his school, perhaps they should have this individual under surveillance. As they should. There is no logical argument that supports the total condemnation of thought reading if innocent lives can be saved.

I guess the primary difference between myself and Snaggle (and nesgirl, for that matter) is that I don't buy into the "They" delusion. :D

(And nope, I didn't miss the Snowden incident. Dunno how you came to that interesting conclusion or how it pertains to this.)

Thought reading would certainly revolutionize politics. That I will say. :)

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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby Peter » 29 Jan 2015 20:54

But what if the individual has absolutely no intention of doing so


and what if these thoughts are not his or hers but introduced by another government so a an act of terrorism can be performed.

No different that some religious sects that we have now

If this control is possible then the debate is already lost and its only a matter of time.
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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby deschainXIX » 29 Jan 2015 20:58

What... what... what...

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Well said.

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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby Peter » 30 Jan 2015 00:38

No not at all but pointing out the possibility of it. It would be a great weapon and would be certain that its all been tried before. There a bit of info around the net about military use of mind control and a lot of research done before so its really an old idea. It could be easily done with implants and this has been already experimented with so again old news.

They would have no idea if the ideas were implanted into a mind at the SC level. What do you think drives terrorists now, rational thought. 40 virgins - really, one experienced loving willing partner is a much better option but that's not in their wish list
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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby Peter » 30 Jan 2015 04:22

I don't know if the mind reading through the dreams is an old idea or not, however I think the government would attempt to do something like that, just because they have invaded our privacy in the real world numerous times before (I really believe they look at me in the shower).


its all been tried before and will be again no doubt as it interests a lot of people for a lot of reasons.
In the shower, not much that I can say about that - they either do or dont and I can know. Hope not and hope you find a way to change your view of this and it would not put you in a good space.


There is love in many forms, not for you that is fine but for others yes. On their own terms and in ways they understand. I will say the the first love should be of yourself and with that acceptance then the world is easy

They used to have conscripts high on hashish and then put the girls around them. They were in a constant state of euphoria and a part dream world and thought that heaven and virgins would be the same and so went out and did their deeds with some pre understanding of what they thought would be in store for them.


Your version of love is always aimed at the physical? theres a lot more than that I hope
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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby Summerlander » 30 Jan 2015 15:26

Water molecules are not wet but the illusion of wetness is well conveyed by the lack of viscosity as one of water's properties. Wetness is very real nonetheless. When we say something is wet, we feel that something to be wet. It is real to us. An illusion is not something that doesn't exist, it is something which isn't really what it seems. Like the self, for instance. I would contend that it is an impressive illusion, but real as a sense in its own right.

Love is no different, nesgirl. It is real. It does exist. There are many types and definitions. But it is felt. Even if at the roots it is just the product of electrochemical activity in living brains, the conscious experience of the loving feeling cannot be denied and is no less worthy for its nature.

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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby Snaggle » 31 Jan 2015 11:25

Summerlander wrote:Yeah, but, Snaggle, you also told me Hitler was an atheist ("Religion & Politics: Iraqi Crisis"). Anyway, yes, there is a difference between lucid dreaming and astral projection. In the latter, the individual doesn't know he's dreaming. :-D

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Summerland this is your characteristic accuracy. I stated that Nazism and Marxism were examples of secular ideologies every bit as bad as any religion had ever been. You countered this by claiming that Marxism was not Atheistic because some Soviets lit candles to Stalin and that Hitler was really a devout Catholic :lol:

Was Hitler even a Christian? My opinion is absolutely not!

Reasons:
1. He was a member of the Thule society before he ever joined the National Socialists. No Christian can be a member of a secret occult society.

2. He was a Marxist before he was a National Socialist, sort of implying he was an Atheist - he was filmed with them, of course he was more likely an agent of German Intelligence - thus explaining both why he was with both groups (to use Churchill's term he was a "guttersnipe" who had infiltrated both groups for German Intelligence. It also explains the slap on the wrist sentence after the Beerhall Putsch conviction for treason and why a convicted traitor was allowed to write an awful political book while in prison.

3. Hitler was treacherous and a two-faced hypocrite - one can't believe anything he says, as he normally sucked up to his enemies and became their friends to back stab them. I doubt that you've actually read Mein Kampf, so I'll tell you something he said in it. he stated that he was against the past persecutions of the Jews and wanted to avoid any repetitions of them :lol: Excursus: in fairness to him he died try to get the Brits to let his Jews into Palestine and did offer to trade all the Jews for 10,000 trucks to be used only on the Eastern front to FDR and was refused by both the Limeys and the Yanks before he proceeded with the final Solution.
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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby Summerlander » 31 Jan 2015 18:39

It took you a while to come up with this babble and misrepresentation as a reply to my e cellent points, Snaggle. No-one has ever established a political system in the name of atheism. It makes no sense and it is plain to see why. (Already spelled it out for you countless times.) As for communism as a method to sustain the world? Only Trotsky was worthy of having properly interpreted the Marxism (which was originally open to revision and not much of a doctrine). Already started a new topic sbout Trotskyism. Read! :-D

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