False Awakening or OBE?

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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby taniaaust1 » 01 Jan 2015 11:01

DesertExplorer wrote:
taniaaust1 wrote:Here's something you could do (it wont exactly prove things either way but it is interesting).. at a time you think you are having an OBE, try to get inside the White House. (those of us who've done this, tend to have the same kind of experience occur).

Thanks!! If I ever have a FA again, I will try. Though I'm not sure if this could be any help for our fellow dreamers realise the difference. They have the right to say; "The rumour has already been implanted in the minds of people", and it may be true.


No the white house one wont help people realise the difference, it can be interesting thou as even those who hadnt had this mentioned to them at all but off their own head thought about going there and tried.. interestingly I found we'd all had same kind of thing happen.

Have you ever felt these so called vibrations in a LD? This would really help people determine the difference between dreams and OBE if there is actually any.


I personally dont get vibrations just before a LD but then I often (thou sometimes do) dont get them before an astral projection either thou I do usually get some kind of energetic feel even if it isnt vibrations eg a loosening of my astral body, a build up of energy etc etc.

(Note in my own case .. as I was an energy worker/healer for years, I can feel some of the astral world all the time even right now while Im typing this I can feel my energy moving etc eg I can feel a line of energetic congestion going from my throat chakra, throu my neck and do thou a large part of my top of back, ending at a point around my kidney area. Of cause due to this I can also feel my energy shift when Im going to go out of body..my astral body starts to disalign etc)..

Things arent always a simple what's what.. eg once day I could feel like I was in the right state to have an OBE so I did a summersault out of my body to disconnect with my physical .. thing is I ended up straight into what instead what I could tell was a dream! (either that or something had impacted on the astral that day to which was not explainable to me. Ive found things which I shouldnt have found in the astral before but I ended up discovering why they were there, they were thought forms from my own daughter).
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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby Summerlander » 03 Jan 2015 01:59

Where is the astral plane exactly?

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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby DesertExplorer » 03 Jan 2015 13:54

Summerlander wrote:Where is the astral plane exactly?

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Ha! Good one.. :D

Exactly down the road in front of your house. Ready to take off!! ;)
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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby Enra Traz » 03 Jan 2015 16:10

No, seriously, if you think there is such a realm, where is it situated?

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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby Snaggle » 03 Jan 2015 21:36

Summerlander wrote:Where is the astral plane exactly?

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Summerland though I think the astral plane is just dreams kicking in I have some questions for you. How much does dark matter weigh or an atom? Is Obama Ebola really a reptilian as David Icke claims? The last question I sort of believe ;)
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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby ILFlint » 04 Jan 2015 05:23

"The hypothetical afterlife is highly unlikely and starts to look like a tenuous and contradictory proposition when we look at the evidence." to quote Enra Traz.

Many love to make the statement that evidence contradicts life after death being a reality. But there is no such evidence to contradict it, as Enra Traz and many others suggest. That it does not exist is simply their opinion, and like all opinions, it is based on their personal belief systems that have been ingrained through education, training, indoctrination.

Science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of an afterlife. We don't have the technology. And just because the general scientific community doesn't buy into a concept in no way negates the concept. Scientists can't even agree whether Earth is in a warming or cooling phase, and they have all kinds of data to come to that conclusion. So, please, stop referring to evidence that does not exist, hoping that people will buy into your perspective simply because you pretend to be approaching the topic scientifically. Quoting a scientist's opinion -- theory -- isn't scientific; it is simply the restatement of an opinion.

The Earth is flat; the Earth is the center of the universe; the universe is desolate except for Earth. And you want to use science to define your definitive perspective?

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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby DesertExplorer » 05 Jan 2015 01:53

Enra Traz wrote:No, seriously, if you think there is such a realm, where is it situated?

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Yeah, seriously! ..I answered.

Well, this is some greatly advanced kind of trolling even for a time traveller. I can't imagine your face expressions while typing.
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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby DesertExplorer » 05 Jan 2015 02:55

ILFlint wrote:"The hypothetical afterlife is highly unlikely and starts to look like a tenuous and contradictory proposition when we look at the evidence." to quote Enra Traz.

Many love to make the statement that evidence contradicts life after death being a reality. But there is no such evidence to contradict it, as Enra Traz and many others suggest. That it does not exist is simply their opinion, and like all opinions, it is based on their personal belief systems that have been ingrained through education, training, indoctrination.

Science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of an afterlife. We don't have the technology. And just because the general scientific community doesn't buy into a concept in no way negates the concept. Scientists can't even agree whether Earth is in a warming or cooling phase, and they have all kinds of data to come to that conclusion. So, please, stop referring to evidence that does not exist, hoping that people will buy into your perspective simply because you pretend to be approaching the topic scientifically. Quoting a scientist's opinion -- theory -- isn't scientific; it is simply the restatement of an opinion.

The Earth is flat; the Earth is the center of the universe; the universe is desolate except for Earth. And you want to use science to define your definitive perspective?

Where oh where have you been, my friend? I was waiting for someone like you to post.

I salute you! :D

I agree and I will tell another thing that crossed my mind reading your post; the truth is currently separated by everyone's thought about the subject and I personally believe evidence will be revealed in time (we may be wrong, we may be right, we may be close), but it will be only for us to discover that it is the means that will just make something already been seen stand out of all other previsions.

So, people asking about evidence seems as silly as it gets. Though, if they do it just to oppose to something, then I can't judge. Contrariwise, I like it! But we cannot have a further conversation.




Blake said; "What is now proved was once only imagined"..

I say that you can either sit down and wait for something to be proved by others like you or you can imagine what could it be. Someone or even you may prove one day that you were right.. or you were wrong and well, that is the game.

So, please do not tell me what cannot be, but tell me what could be, instead. Take the risk and do it! I can assure you it is fun and then we will have something to discuss. But of course, the choice is yours to take.
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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby DesertExplorer » 05 Jan 2015 03:06

Snaggle wrote:
Summerlander wrote:Where is the astral plane exactly?

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Summerland though I think the astral plane is just dreams kicking in I have some questions for you. How much does dark matter weigh or an atom? Is Obama Ebola really a reptilian as David Icke claims? The last question I sort of believe ;)

I love it when people answer with questions!! :D ;)
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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby DesertExplorer » 05 Jan 2015 03:14

nesgirl, could you please tell me why 12 dimensions? Has the number some meaning? I have heard it before, but I can't understand why this particular number.
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