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Sean Jacobs
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Re: Lucid Mindset/Lifestyle Technique

Postby Sean Jacobs » 03 Oct 2017 13:46

Hi Beethoven! It's great to hear from you.

Thank you for the suggestion. Right now my only concern is getting lucid. I would love my LDs to last longer but at this point attaining lucidity as often as possible is what is most important. If I can reach a point where I get lucid, consistently, at least 2-3 days per week then I can start to plan the next steps...like what I will do, how to extend the dreams, etc.

My problem is, once I see an attractive woman in my lucid dreams I just can't help myself. :D

So far this "lazy awareness" approach is not getting me quick results. But, I'm planning on trying to stick with it for a year and see what happens.

Looking forward to hearing from you again.
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Re: Lucid Mindset/Lifestyle Technique

Postby Beethoven » 03 Oct 2017 15:08

Hi Sean!

I understand what you're saying and it makes perfect sense. I think it's great that you're so ambitious and won't stop till you achieve your goals.

My main logic behind having longer LD's without too much excitement is to make them occur much more frequent.

I've mentioned this before but after trying really hard to have several back to back LD's one night, I couldn't stop them. It was like my mind had forgotten what the normal state was and just wanted to be in the lucid state. Unfortunately, the following night it was business as usual!

I just feel as though 30 seconds of lucidity a few times a week isn't gonna be too mind changing. If we spend much longer periods in the lucidity world it should have more of an impact. Then once we know that we can become lucid for ages it'll be easier to do the things we desire.

This is what I intend to do when lucidity starts to kick in again.

But I know you have plans and I guess you've got to go with your heart. I think it's great that you are getting some lucidity and that shows that you must be doing something right. Maybe if you carried on what you're doing things might get better and better???

Good luck on your travels!

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Re: Lucid Mindset/Lifestyle Technique

Postby Sean Jacobs » 03 Oct 2017 21:52

Thanks Beethoven. My issue is that I get lucid so infrequently, that when I do get lucid I can't focus on my "plan" of what I should be doing. My brain is just to foggy to remember. So I go on what is available in my dream environment. Believe me, I would love to stay in the lucid dream longer but that takes planning and then remembering the plan when I become lucid.

My focus now is driving that lucid mindset into my subconscious so deeply that I will just instinctively question my reality in more of my dreams. I'm really hoping for the day when I'm dreaming and actually have the critical moment where I ask myself "Am I dreaming?" and then realize I am. But, I suspect it will take quite a while to get this habit to be a natural reaction. My second goal is, once I am getting lucid 1 to 2 times per week consistently I will start planing what I will do when I get lucid. Part of that will definitely involve relaxing, engaging my sense and trying to stay lucid in the dream for as long as possible....keep it calm and boring. :-)
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Re: Lucid Mindset/Lifestyle Technique

Postby Beethoven » 04 Oct 2017 11:45

Hi Sean!

I know what you're saying about not knowing what to do due to the infrequency. When something happens, it's like panic stations! We know that we've only got a bit of time before it's all over! We try like crazy and then get a lousy 30 seconds which doesn't usually go well! When I got the hang of being able to return to lucidity land when it ended it was far less frustrating. Phew! That was so long ago, and I'd love to be able to do that again. Actually I'd love to be able to get lucid more often than about once a month which usually isn't too exciting!

I like your ideas and maybe things will get better. I feel a bit exhausted with the whole reality checking thing at the moment so I'm just taking it easy, trying to get my mind together. I'm very intent on trying to stay lucid as long as possible without doing anything too exciting. I'll let you know if anything materializes.

This is gonna be my last post for a while. I really hope things go well for you and look forward to your posts.

Happy dreaming!

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Re: Lucid Mindset/Lifestyle Technique

Postby Sean Jacobs » 04 Oct 2017 11:51

I wish you the greatest success with your plan Beethoven. Hopefully both of our plans will pay off. :-)
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Re: Lucid Mindset/Lifestyle Technique

Postby Sean Jacobs » 04 Oct 2017 11:59

Today is day 88 of my experiment.

So as part of my awareness and reality checking by asking myself if I'm dreaming and looking around me for anything dreamlike, I realized that I have had several dreams were looking a the sky has made me lucid (it seems that when I look at the sky in my dreams I often see something out of the ordinary and amazing - such as incredible space scenes like looking at images from Hubble or unreal sunsets, etc). I've been making it a point (for the last few weeks) to intentionally look at the sky, and will it to show me something amazing, when ever I am in a place where I can see the sky.

This morning I woke up from a dream where my wife and I were in Florida on vacation. We were in an area, like a trailer park except instead of trailers there were these tiny houses on small hills all around (my wife likes to watch the show "Tiny House Nation"). We are outside and I look up at the sky only to see that it is full of clouds that are forming into funnel clouds, hundreds of them. It was amazing, but incredibly scary as all of these funnel clouds could become tornadoes at any minute. We started running for shelter and I woke up.

This could be a good sign as I intentionally looked at the sky, or it simply could be a coincident.
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Re: Lucid Mindset/Lifestyle Technique

Postby Sean Jacobs » 09 Oct 2017 16:58

Today is day 93 of my experiment. No lucid dreams recently. Today I am more frustrated than normal.

I had a dream last night that involved Macaulay Culkin and a dream the night before that involved John Lennon and I never checked if I was dreaming. I will stay focused and keep up the awareness, but I'm hoping this will start to work soon.
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Re: Lucid Mindset/Lifestyle Technique

Postby Beethoven » 10 Oct 2017 17:35

Hi Sean!

I can feel your frustration! I could write a book on it!

Haha out of all the beautiful actresses out there you ended up with Macaulay Culkin! You must be regretting buying that 'Home Alone' collection!

And I've heard that John Lennon is busy making an album right now!!!

Seriously though, it sounds like your dreams are full of action which makes reality checking very difficult. I can do checks with ease on my own BUT when I'm with people it seems impossible. I think this is down to the fact that I never shut up and have always got too much to say! It's like I hate silence and always feel the need to talk. I've been aware of this for many years and always thought that it was the main reason I don't get lucid much.

So how are you when you're with people??? Do you feel relaxed enough to test reality during conversations etc.

I'll be seeing my mate tonight and I'm gonna make the effort to shut up for at least 10 seconds and think about lucidity.

Good luck!

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Re: Lucid Mindset/Lifestyle Technique

Postby Wournig » 29 May 2018 08:30

WOW Nice details of your dream, you have more than me! I dont have time now but then i will try to help you a little more!

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Re: Lucid Mindset/Lifestyle Technique

Postby Beginningdream » 03 Jun 2018 02:31

Sean Jacobs wrote:I am a very light sleeper who has ongoing issues with insomnia, which is not conducive to most lucid dreaming techniques. I have tried most of them and have had success with journaling and MILD but it always comes with the cost of losing sleep which has a negative impact on my waking life. This leaves me with limited options for lucid dreaming. I have read several books, many articles, and many posts on forums regarding lucid dreaming. The one technique that appeals to me most is the “Lucid Mindset or Lucid Lifestyle” technique. Stephen LaBerge speaks of this in his book “Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming.” He states that he has interviewed what he called “Ultra Frequent Lucid Dreamers.” These people have 1000+ lucid dreams per year. All of these people have something in common; they have some kind of deeply ingrained habit which leads them to lucidity in most of their dreams. Some of these people suffered from chronic nightmares as children which lead them to constantly (in waking life) question if they are “Safe” in their current environment (If I’m dreaming I’m in danger. Am I dreaming?); some had obsessive compulsive behaviors which lead them to question what they were doing 10 minutes ago, which lead them to realize they were in bed 10 minutes ago. In these cases no other induction techniques were required.

This is what I want for my life. I want to reach a point where I can’t help but become lucid in my dreams. But how?

As I pondered this question I came to the realization that what we are all looking for, the most important aspect for everyone who pursues lucid dreaming, is one brief moment, one spark, of realization. We all want the tiny spark in our minds that triggers us to question our reality. We dream journal to help us locate dream signs, hoping when we see them it will trigger that spark. We repeat mantras and affirmations hoping they will help to trigger that spark. We try to “fall asleep while still awake” hoping to carry that spark directly into our dreams. That tiny spark, that one simple thought is what we all need to kindle lucidity. All of our lucid dreaming goals depend on this one simple thing.

Why is this tiny spark of realization so difficult to achieve? I believe it is because we are deeply programed, right from birth, to spend the majority of our lives mindlessly responding to outside stimuli. We are human. We have our five senses: sight, sound, touch, smell, & taste. We move though life responding to these stimuli without thinking too much about it. It is just normal life. Then we have the emotional aspect. We respond to the stimuli we receive both physically, and mentally/emotionally. I believe we spend the majority of our waking lives on “auto pilot.” We simply go with the flow without much thought beyond that constant barrage of sensory input. Through these senses we perceive our world. Yet there is another world, our dream world. The vast majority of people barely think about their dreams. They don’t have a clue about the amazing possibilities of their dreams. But we do.

So, I have concluded that I need to continuously break free of mindlessly responding to external stimuli. I need to constantly create that spark of realization in my daily life. I need to ingrain this habit into my mind so deeply that it reaches my subconscious and feeds over to my dreams. Once I have created this habit to the point where I do it without thinking, in theory I should be able to lucid dream effortlessly often.

I have been back into lucid dreaming for about 47 days. But it has only been in the last 14 days that I have begun to focus on this technique, at which time I stopped maintaining my dream journal (except for lucid dreams) and stopped using MILD. I have gotten lucid once since then (on Jan 31st 2017).

I have read some articles on forming a habit, and most state it takes 21 days. However, I read another article which stated it takes 66+ days to form a habit. I find this one more reasonable. But, because I am trying to ingrain this so deeply that it will reach my dreams, I’m going to shoot for 365 days….yes 1 year.

Here is the plan:
• I will question my reality (Am I dreaming?), look around me closely for anything out of the ordinary, odd or “dreamlike”, and then do a reality check (I look at my hand and count my fingers) often during the day (50+ times). I will also do this any time I move to a new environment/location. If I walk into another room, go outside, enter/exit a building, enter/exit a vehicle, etc I will question reality and reality check.
• I will continue to give myself affirmations about succeeding in my plan before I sleep and when every I feel I have time.
• Before I sleep I will also remind myself to check my reality.
• I will stay motivated by reading my LD journal and reading materials about lucid dreaming.

Today is day 15 of this technique. I will update this post as I progress.


The one problem is at that point if you were completely successful it would be an obsession. We go on autopilot for a reason. Awareness is great but on the level that you propose is a rough equivalent of using 15% of your brain rather than 10. Sounds not fun.


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