Price wrote:Another way is when I am going to sleep I feel myself rocking back and forth. Left and Right. At first this rocking motion is very small, but as I get deeper and deeper soon I feel myself rocking way farther then possible. Soon I can spin completely around in a circle. Once I can do that once, I roll out of the bed.
The movement is not actual ... it's an induced hallucination and therefore wholly mental. And the space inside your inaccurate bedroom replica is also a dream feature. There is no space in the virtual worlds of the mind. It's an illusion.
Some people are actually feel energy and hence this rocking can actually be the rocking of real energy. You are assuming here to that the person is asleep and hence its a replica of their bedroom they are experiencing. Many do OBE when not even in a sleep state at all and will be completely aware of their real room and the things really around them while they are doing it. This is another difference between OBE and LD.
eg when I used to do my OBE attempts. I'd be listening to my children in the kitchen making breakfast...fully awake. Listening to my children making sure they didnt go off and start playing instead of getting ready for school. I have known a couple who could astrally project with their eyes open while doing other things eg I once know a couple of very experienced astral projectors who could while holding a conversation with me and another, so they'd then be in like two places at once doing two completely different things.
Anyway an astral projector who isnt doing OBE from a sleep state can be very aware of the real things going on around them in real life.
if my bedroom was an inaccurate feature when I was astrally projected, that would then never explain how I found the gift card on the top of the wardrobe which in real life turned out to be really there and how I was able to read this astrally there before I even knew about it. I
didnt even know that shop did gift vouchers before this, I would of thought it hadnt. I saw the gift voucher, I saw the shops name, I saw the right amount, I saw it exactly how it was really when I was astral before I physically seen it or even know my boyfriend had brought it and put it there. That's not stuff you can have a coincidence with...seeing something never seen before exactly how it is and where it is without previously knowing in its existence. Coincidence doesnt explain this. It WAS the same gift voucher, in the same style, with the same kind of writing it to. Indentical to what I saw when astral projected.
People who have OBEs such as this, there is no way they can think that they arent real as being real is the only explanation for things sometimes experienced.
How can you assume someone is assuming things when they may of experienced a lot of stuff which proved to be real in such a state. (its too easy for someone who hasnt experienced something to go around knocking it).
its like someone telling a person who in real life has gone to Africa and seen lions and zebras there that there is no lions and zebras in Africa while the person knows there is as they went there and experienced them themselves Its a bit annoying to those who have experienced it and know its for real to have others kept disputing the reality they've experienced as being just a dream. For you it may be a dream but for many of us who know its real and it truely sucks when someone who hasnt experienced goes around and tells others it doesnt exist just cause they havent experienced it for themselves (which you havent seeing you only had an LD experience of an OBE cant be called a real OBE).
I cant seem to get through that its possible to DREAM one is OBE and then one wont be able to prove to oneself that the experience is real (which seems to have happened to you seeing you were able to prove your experiences when you tried).
Real OBEs can often be proved at least to the one who had the experience such in that voucher I experienced and other things has proved it to me (it seems that others wont believe no matter what). How would you explain my children being scared by a moving chair .. how can that be a coincidence? and moving chair be explained by being a coincidence? chairs dont move themselves!! (the chair was where I had been astrally trying to stand). Both kids experienced it move and heard it move while in that same room doing their breakfast. If it moved by an earthquake..why didnt any of the 3 of us feel the earthquake?
Its so easy to throw out the coincidence thing to try to explain astral experiences but that dont make sense in some cases.
There is more going on there then around the astral stuff I and others have experienced then can be simply explained by coincidence